Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Cushing


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The result was keep  per the snowball clause. Non-admin closure. MuZemike ( talk ) 21:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Brian Cushing
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Wikipedia has come to an understanding of what constitute notable athletes. These guidelines have been discussed and debated extensively and used repeatedly as the foundation for AFD discussions conerning non-notable athletes. Per WP:ATHLETE athletes generally have to fit one of the following two categories to warrant their own article:
 * People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis.[9]
 * People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships.

This means that eventhough an athlete may receive coverage in their local paper or play at a collegiate level, where they receive coverage for their involvement in a team, they are generally not notable until they play at the highest level. There are several HS and College players who have existing articles.

This is a non-notable college football player who hasn't done anything. He is no more notable than your local newsreporter or councilwoman. Just because there are some articles, doesn't make the player notable. --- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 07:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC) As there appears to be a debate at wp:athlete, I notified them of this ongoing afd


 * Keep Sources check out, passes WP:N §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  11:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:ATHLETE is an exception to general WP:N requirements, not a replacement of them. There may well be professional athletes that would not meet general notability requirements, see Keith Cash and Kerry Cash but they get in despite no references or reliable sources other than them having played in the NFL.  Conversely, there are athletes who do not meet WP:ATHLETE but do get in under general notability standards.  See Brian Orakpo and Colt McCoy as examples of athletes who have not played at the professional level but have garnered enough notability at the college level to be included.-- 2008 Olym pian chit chat 12:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes WP:NOTABILITY. It doesn't matter that he isn't a professional athlete, because the sources show notability. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 16:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Meets general notability guidelines, which generally take precedence over specific conditions listed under WP:ATHLETE (which are meant to help establish notability if the general conditions aren't met). -- Zim Zala Bim talk  17:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Subject is covered by LA Times, USA Today, and other news sources in addition to sports-specific media. WP:ATHLETE is a non-issue here; I'm not going to go through all the other Balloonman nominations below, but superficially it sure seems there is pointyness afoot. Townlake (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:N, which is merely supplimented by WP:ATHLETE. &mdash; neuro(talk) 20:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, scrolling up from WP:ATHLETE we find that "should a person fail to meet these additional criteria, they may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability." Juzhong (talk) 10:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. --Bobak (talk) 17:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:N trumps WP:ATHLETE. I expect every competent administrator to know this. SashaNein (talk) 19:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


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