Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian D'Ambrosio (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 13:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Brian D'Ambrosio
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Previous AfD closed due to a lack of comments. The one keep comment pointed out that there were a lot of sources through Google news, but the issue with those sources are that none of them, from what I can see, are independent of the subject. 99% of them seem to be either about a book (which fails WP:AUTHOR), or is an article written by D'Ambrosio himself. None of which show notability for the subject.

The article fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:AUTHOR, or WP:BIO. Aoidh (talk) 13:26, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete non-notable writer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I found some articles he wrote for Huff Post and a review on ESPN . I'm on the fence.--Savonneux (talk) 20:53, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The ESPN Montana article isn't a review, it's a blog per their website and there's no author given and reads like a poorly written advertisement ("exclucively"?). Given that D'Ambrosio writes blogs for ESPN Montana it's not an independent source either even assuming that D'Ambrosio himself did not write that advertisement. Having written articles does not contribute towards notability at all. - Aoidh (talk) 05:05, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete and I actually nominated the other listed at the side, I confirm everything I see there (3rd nomination).  SwisterTwister   talk  22:37, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Still nothing at all actually convincing and he's not majorly listed at WorldCat, only 21 listings. SwisterTwister talk 20:22, 8 August 2016 (UTC)3rd AfD —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:46, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - Not quite seeing enough to satisfy WP:GNG/WP:BIO. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 22:58, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Pinging participants in the previous discussion: &  &mdash;  Rhododendrites  talk  \\ 22:59, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Brian D'Ambrosio (3rd nomination) directing participation here. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:46, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep This is about a journalist who has a book out. WP:AUTHOR generally is satisfied by reviews and news coverage of a writer's work.  Here we have (1 March 2015) New biography by Helena author Brian D'Ambrosio helps Marvin Camel fight time, obscurity in the Missoulian;  (2 January 2015) an interview in a small town newspaper form which bio can be  sourced ; (2 February 2015) discussion of his work in an article about Camel ; (10 February 2016) Biography Chronicles First Native American World Champion Boxer, A Montanan on Montana Public Radio with a half-hour audio interview ; and more on the Camel book in this search .  I always assume that using different keywords or different search engines would product additional sources.  Before the Marvin Camel book there was this: (21 NOvember 2013) After wrongfully convicted inmate freed, Missoula writer has cause to celebrate, Missoulian, .E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As you're citing WP:AUTHOR, I presume you mean the "has won significant critical attention" part? Otherwise, reviews are key for an article about the book, but insofar as they help the author I figure it's just a matter of WP:GNG. In either case, literally all of those are local Montana sources. They help, of course (they "count"), but we also need some wider recognition than "local author writes about x" pieces. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 14:36, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I am arguing that, as the articles I brought demonstrate, this journalist has had an impact. First, by bringing a "forgotten" boxer, now celebrated as  the "First Native American World Champion Boxer" (source above).   And for looking into what looked to him like a wrongful conviction and he got it overturned by writing about it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If he had the kind of impact you're suggesting, there would be the kind of sources that meet a notability criteria. However, there aren't. As an author the subject fails to meet WP:AUTHOR. - Aoidh (talk) 03:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete local reviews in local newspapers do not show notability for a book or an author, because they are basically indiscriminate -- every local author will get a review, and they are also unreliable, because the reviews are very unlikely to be objective.  DGG ( talk ) 00:00, 18 August 2016 (UTC)


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