Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Henderson (racing driver)


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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:20, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Brian Henderson (racing driver)

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WP:TOOSOON red dogsix (talk) 20:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. According to WP:NMOTORSPORT it's clear, but there is little content and less sourcing. I'm an editor involved with the page's WikiProject so I'll try and get to it within the next 72 hours for some major expansion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willsome429 (talk • contribs)
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 * Keep per WP:NMOTORSPORT since he has competed in a race in the big 3 NASCAR series (Xfinity).  Royal broil  04:31, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete/Show Cause So likely meets WP:NMOTORSPORT by the letter by the single race appearance. However, with Xfinity being 2nd tier and a lot of auto sports being ride-buy situations, one could argue Xfinity is not fully professional (while one could even make that argument for F1 and Indycar (and even Sprint Cup Series), at least those are top tier racing series).  Besides that, of the sources provided, few if any actually qualify for GNG, mostly because they are not independent.  Most are press releases, from what appear to be sponsors, or what appear to be the series themselves.  Even the ones that don't fall under those issues, they look to be very obscure that are either blogs or look to have little editorial review - and of those, most are one sentence passing mentions (e.g., one article just has a bullet saying its was his debut).  I commonly follow WP:NSPORT, but this is a bridge too far even for me.  Considering this is an active racer, we should be able to find sources online if they are out there.  I say delete unless someone can show the sources. RonSigPi (talk) 04:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly fails the general notability guidelines. If he passes the motorsports notability guidelines as currently written they need to be rewritten to only include people who have received significant coverage, and not everyone who buys their way into a car race.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:34, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've done some work on the page. I think there's enough there in terms of content, but then again my experience is limited. I get the fact that some Xfinity situations are ride-buy (this one probably was) but the dude's racked up an extensive road-racing resume that wasn't ride-buy stuff. The sources, yeah, there's not much there besides that. I would appreciate it if the creator of the page, would weigh in with his intentions to shed some light on the situation. I'll try and improve it more but it's unlikely I'll find anything else. Willsome429 (talk) 18:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep – I'm quite surprised to see ride buyers and pay drivers present such a sticky situation, but I guess I can't really blame anyone. When it comes to NASCAR drivers (based on precedent), notability is usually established if they compete in any of NASCAR's three national series (Cup, Xfinity, Trucks), while those in the feeder/regional tiers like the NASCAR K&N Pro Series East are typically not notable unless there is something exceptional about them (like a series championship or something different that would get them past WP:GNG). It might seem odd to outsiders for a pay driver to suddenly become notable by simply buying a ride to run one race, but a national series driver is still technically considered a professional driver. Zappa⚡Mati</b> 03:57, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Just as a comment, its not really the pay driver concept that is an issue for me, its that this was not a top-tier series along with other factors. So if a guy is paying money to drive in a non-top-tier series, can we really call him/her a "professional" driver for WP:NMOTORSPORT #1?  That way my pay driver point.  I think if he ran a good part of a season (say 70% of the races), then the ride buy would not be as much of an issue.  As counter examples, a decent number of Indy 500 drivers of the last decade are ride buyers, but its the Indy 500, not a road race on a 2nd tier road circuit.  Paul Menard and Brendan Gaughan can both be called ride buyers, but no doubt they are notable.  To put another way, even ignoring the ride buy possibility, running a single race in a 2nd tier series that is broadcast on a relatively little watched cable sports network in a road course race on an oval-based circuit and not finishing the race due to car trouble does not scream presumptive notability.  The lack of independent sources seem to back that position.  Again, if an Xfinity or Truck driver runs a whole season, then I can see giving them the benefit of the double for presumptive notability.  Here, I am just not seeing it. RonSigPi (talk) 04:37, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 22:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


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