Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Murphy (broadcaster)


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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Brian Murphy (broadcaster)

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Biography of a broadcaster local only at the local level in a single media market, written with some "memorializing a dead friend" overtones and referenced predominantly to primary sources and blogs and unpublished personal correspondence. The only two things here that count as reliable sources at all are an obituary in the local newspaper and a glancing namecheck of his existence in a Billboard article that isn't about him, and that's not enough substantive coverage to get him past WP:GNG. Bearcat (talk) 21:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:36, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:37, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Unable to locate secondary sources to support notability.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:49, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Please keep. It is not every day that a broadcaster obtains a major news profile at the time of his death. It is reproduced on a blog, but is from the Ottawa Citizen:   http://grubstreet.ca/articles/index/856/exceptional-musical-knowledge-brian-murphy,-was-64  The article has been up on Wikipedia for a number of years now, was cleared at the time, with no subsequent challenge to its notability, until now.  I know that doesn't provide particularly strong support, but when he did pass in Ottawa, it was very much a legend passing, to many, as evidenced from the tone of the Chris Cobb/Ottawa Citizen piece.Dreadarthur (talk) 23:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Any radio personality most certainly would get an obituary in the local newspaper at the time of his death. One piece of strictly local media coverage doesn't make him a special notability case for the purposes of an encyclopedia, because any radio personality on earth could show that — what gets a radio broadcaster into Wikipedia is not "was a legend in Ottawa", but "has a nationalized notability claim beyond just Ottawa alone". And the length of time that a Wikipedia article was kept before being listed for deletion is irrelevant to whether the person is notable or not — for starters, nobody has to "clear" or "approve" an article before it happens, but rather anybody can try to create an article about absolutely anything, and the only mechanism we have to respond to that is for somebody to notice that it's not compliant with our notability and sourceability standards after it's already here. Sometimes that happens within minutes, and sometimes it can take years, but we judge the article according to the standards and not according to how long it was here before somebody noticed that there was a problem. (And, in fact, many of Wikipedia's notability and sourcing standards have changed over the years, as well — there are a lot of things that were once accepted as notable, but aren't anymore. But those things don't get grandfathered in just because they met the standards that pertained at the time — they get deleted if they can't be upgraded to the standards that pertain now.) Bearcat (talk) 23:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * All fair comments. How does one distinguish the Wikipedia pages on local politicians then?  Similar considerations as to potentially misperceived notability? Dreadarthur (talk) 00:22, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * We expressly limit the notability of local politicians to people who can credibly claim that their notability goes beyond the exclusively local: mayors of large cities, city councillors in internationally famous global cities, and selected other people who can be especially well-sourced as significantly more notable than usual for that level of government. So they're already under constraints much like what I described here, and not a contradictory counterexample. Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. I'm sure everything written is true, but he was just one of thousands of local radio DJs. Bearian (talk) 02:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Provisional keep I found full article coverage from back in 1971 at newspapers.com, leading me to believe that there is more to be found with some digging. I request this to be kept for now until I had time to analyze some of the 7,000+ hits (the common name makes it a bit hard and I don't have the time right now). Regards  So Why  07:40, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


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