Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Niemeier


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The result was no consensus. Daniel (talk) 07:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Brian Niemeier

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No 3rd-party sources about his life and/or work found. Only claims to notability are a finalist nomination for a Campbell/Astounding award and a minor fan award, both of which he possibly got through politically motivated vote canvassing. While it’s true only a few people become Campbell/Astounding finalists per year, this doesn’t mean much if they immediately sink back into complete obscurity. Dronebogus (talk) 00:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Dronebogus (talk) 00:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete article lacks the level of 3rd-party sourcing we would need for it to pass GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as it has multiple third-party, reliable sources. The Dragon Award is hardly a "minor fan award" as it has received extensive coverage all over the world. As for the Campbell Award, a person is only eligible for a couple years for it, and a fair number of those people "sink back into complete obscurity" and never have a significant career following their nomination for or winning of that award. The third-party sources used in the article are well-established as reliable: Internet Speculative Fiction Database, The Verge, the official Hugo Awards site, and File 770, which keeps quoting him and discussing him, even today, years after he won the Dragon Award. They more than establish the notability of the subject. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 19:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Notability doesn't expire. There are some awards for which 'being a finalist' is, in and of itself, an assertion of notability. DS (talk) 16:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:45, 27 January 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per Nihonjoe and DS (re. "notability is not temporary"). Vaticidalprophet (talk) 01:54, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I'd like to see coverage on more than just those awards, and also, does he even pass WP:AUTHOR? ~EdGl talk 21:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:AUTHOR is only there for cases where the subject has difficulty passing WP:GNG, which this person has. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 00:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:12, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


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