Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Schmitz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman 14:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Brian Schmitz

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Fails WP:Athlete NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  01:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   — Cliff smith  talk  01:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep seems to qualify, as having played in "a fully professional league" (Index_of_Professional_Sports_teams_in_the_United_States_and_Canada). The link verifies that claim. Why does it say semi-pro in the article? JJL (talk) 02:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but that's rather weird. NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  02:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. A semi-pro athlete who's claim to fame is that he met Michael Jordan? Totally non-notable. Wikigonish (talk) 03:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: Since this article is here, I've removed the prod tag on it. It should be noted, however, that (as stated in the prod rationale) someone claiming to be Brian Schmitz has requested the article's deletion at WP:Editor assistance. Deor (talk) 03:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. The status of the Arena Football League as fully professional or semi-professional seems unclear to me. The website of the league itself does not address this issue. I did find a USA Today interview with one of the players, Remy Hamilton, where this issue is addressed. The exchange there is rather interesting. Here is a full quote:"Q: The image when Arena football started was that these were part-time guys doing this on the side. Now have you seen it evolve into a fully professional league? A: Absolutely. A lot of guys have second jobs. Only a couple of guys on each team can do this year-round — a quarterback, maybe a high-paid OS (offensive specialist) or a lineman. They do odd jobs in the summer to get by. The talent has definitely gone up over the years, and so have the salaries. They do house us during the season, so we have no bills, which is huge. So you get your salary, and then you don't have any bills." Despite his "Absolutely" response, the substance of the answer appears to indicate that the league is actually semi-professional. Nsk92 (talk) 03:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Could use more references (as most AfD articles do), but he had a long career in a professional league. The AFL is definitely a professional league. The players all get paid (something, at least), the league has been around for quite a while, and has had their TV contract for a long time. Dayewalker (talk) 05:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What you say is correct, but is AFL a "fully professional league", as required by WP:ATHLETE? It does not seem so, since from the interview cited above, it is clear that whatever the athletes are paid there is not enough to make a living and most of them have second jobs because of this. As I understand it, that is exactly what "semi-professional" means. We do have an article Semi-professional where the key definition reads thus: "A semi-professional athlete is one who is paid to play and thus is not an amateur, but for whom sport is not a full-time occupation, generally because the level of pay is too low to make a reasonable living based solely upon that source, thus making the athlete not a full professional athlete." That seems to describe AFL players rather well. Nsk92 (talk) 11:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. I don't deny that the man may be notable, but the article shouldn't be welcomed back before all facts are thoroughly sourced. As someone above put it, his "claim to fame is that he met Michael Jordan".  Even that claim, and the one about their continuing friendship, isn't sourced.  This is BLP, folks, the standards are set high for a reason. --Hordaland (talk) 15:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Complete wild thought but since I found another sports related Brian Schmitz while googling - are we certain that the Brian Schmitz that requested deletion is the Brian Schmitz that the article is about and not maybe another Brian Schmitz who thinks the article is about/should be about them :-?. I found and added a couple more references to the article anyway. Mfield (talk) 16:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I have removed all the stuff with BLP issues and the OR tag that went with that, and found a few references that support the statistics and his playing for the New York Giants. I suspect this is all enough to prevent the article being deleted for anything other than notability now, something which I am not knowledgeable enough in the subject to judge. Mfield (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete marginally notable, to the point where we seem to be having trouble verifying who the guy is. Guy (Help!) 08:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this article should be deleted until such time as we have some non-trivial secondary sources about him. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 17:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. A retired semi-professional athlete, does not pass WP:ATHLETE. Nsk92 (talk) 17:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


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