Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Silas (Pianist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No one advocating keeping the article. Deor (talk) 17:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Brian Silas (Pianist)

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article doesn't show notability even though there are reliable sources MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:20, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'm not sure what type of notability the nominator is looking for, but by Wikipedia's definition notability depends on sources. I have cited another in the article and, in addition, this book lists the subject as a "musical great" alongside Elton John and Ravi Shankar. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, agreeing with Phil that the sources in the article are sufficient to meet the GNG. With limited exceptions, it doesn't matter whether an article "shows notability": all that matters is whether sources exist. In this case, they do. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per DGG. This was definitely an error on my part: the sources here are of far more questionable reliability than I initially realized. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  09:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment very bare-bones article. Not sure how the sources establish notability. Ok, he's a pianist, from India. What makes him stand out from the others? Oaktree b (talk) 13:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The sources establish notability by being independent and reliable and containing significant coverage. And being listed alongside Elton John and Ravi Shankar in a list of three musical greats makes him stand out far more than the vast majority of our article subjects. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete A great deal more would be needed to show notability The article and its sources if looked at objectively prove by themselves show the entirely promotional nature of this article for a non-notable pianist. The newspapers listed are not known for objectivity in this area (especially the Times of India), and the sort of promotional  interview-based articles listed  don't reliably show notability for anyone for anything. (One of them even relies on the person's spouse for its evidence).   Being included in a tour guide is about the least reliable possible source.  Needing to use such a ref. in an article proves the lack of real material. And "Being listed alongside Elton John and Ravi Shankar in a list of three musical greats" is the sort of extraordinary claim from a source that proves the utter unreliability of whichever source is making it, when there is so little real-world factual documentation. To take something like that as other that absurdly exaggerated promotionalism , there would be expected  to be multiple  national and international awards, and extensive prize-winning recordings , especially after a 20-year career. Compare this and its sources, to the articles on those two musicians.    DGG ( talk ) 18:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * How many of the British and American pop musicians that we routinely accept as notable have multiple national and international awards and extensive prize-winning recordings? I agree that our notability guidelines are too permissive in that area, but, while they exist, we should judge an Indian musician by the same standards. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Of the online articles, only The Indian Express article provides detailed information on his career with some actual critical analysis of his work. It is independent reliable significant coverage. The Times of India piece is a promotional article for an upcoming concert. Its analysis of his playing comes directly from the subject and his wife. It lacks independence and significance. Likewise Borders to Boardroom: A Memoir was written by the subject's employer who had the pianist working at his hotel. The Hindustan Times is an interview promoting an upcoming concert. Again critical assessment is provided by the subject and his wife. Lacks independence.4meter4 (talk) 16:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per DGG and 4meter4. The sources mentioned fail WP:SIGCOV. I found an additional mention of Silas here, but that taken with The Indian Express article are not enough to pass WP:SIGCOV. Heartmusic678 (talk) 15:11, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


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