Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Williams Media Award


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. T. Canens (talk) 15:15, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Brian Williams Media Award

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This award does not satisfy WP:GNG in that there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources. The current sourcing is not independent, as it is from the organization that grants the award. The article also appears to raise Conflict of interest problems. Most of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame-related articles were created by User:Rajeevanm, an editor whose edits since 2014 relate principally to the OSHOF. Interestingly, the user name is very close to the name of the OSHOF's director of marketing. See here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2016 May 29.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 01:03, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * A related AfD can be found at Articles for deletion/Sandy Hawley Community Service Award. Cbl62 (talk) 01:12, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)


 *  Redirect  to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame I Checked by searching awardee in a random year, and it does gets press coverage. Ottawa Citizen    The Hamilton Spectator .   Just not much coverage. I think redirect to the short page of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * These are merely passing references in broader articles about the OSHOF. Not enough to warrant a stand-alone article under WP:GNG. That said, no objection to redirect. Cbl62 (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Specifically, media mention tend to be a sentence in an article about an individual winner of an OSHOF prize, or in an article about who won that year's prize.  Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto are major cities, so it adds up to quite a lot of big-city daily coverage, although the award is only 3 years old.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:59, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi E.M.Gregory, thanks for your comment. I apologize for the late reply since I'm still learning how to use the "talk" feature. I've added several independent sources to the article, check here: Toronto Star, Toronto Sun , ArgoAdmirals , Toronto Star , The Hamilton Spectator , Ottawa Citizen |publisher=Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. The award recipients are high-profile members of sports media in Ontario, Canada. I believe there is enough to warrant a stand-alone article under WP:GNG. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks! Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The sources you mention may constitute significant coverage of the OSHOF, but they do not constitute significant coverage of the Hawley Award. The references given merely contain passing reference to the Hawley Award. Such passing references are insufficient under GNG to support a stand-alone article. Cbl62 (talk) 05:52, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * In fact, the sources brought by User:Rajeevanm show that this journalism prize award, the Brian Williams Media Award ( Hawley is something else) is covered extensively in major media when awarded. It is =, in other words, a real if m=minor journalisam prize. Changing my !Vote to Keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you specify which of these articles you believe constitutes "significant" coverage of the Hamilton Award as opposed to a passing reference? Cbl62 (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * These newspapers validate this award by covering it. I don't think that in this it is different from other journalism awards, and certainly seems similar to the Casey Award, and others in the category:Sports writing awards, which I just added to the article.E.M.Gregory (talk)
 * The standard under WP:GNG is that there needs to be "significant" coverage to warrant a stand-alone article. The sources mentioned amount to passing reference in broader discussion of the OSHOF, not "significant" coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * When a major institution gives a journalism prize, and major newspapers cover it, that's notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Two points: 1) OSHOF is hardly a "major" institution, it doesn't even have a full-time staff or building; and 2) it's not notable unless it gets significant coverage, not just passing mentions. Cbl62 (talk) 03:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge, to the OSHOF article or more specifically to a new section within it. The award information is short and can easily be included in the OSHOF article, if this is a significant program of the OSHOF. I "voted" at Articles for deletion/Sandy Hawley Community Service Award the same way. -- do  ncr  am  20:44, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  06:19, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: The related Afd, Articles for deletion/Sandy Hawley Community Service Award was closed as merge into Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. -- J04n(talk page) 12:49, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect as this is best connected to that, there's nothing to suggest it can currently be improved as its own article. If needed, any contents can be merged when needed. SwisterTwister   talk  00:28, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. This is a valid search target, but is not notable enough to have it's own article. On the other hand, Ontario Sports Hall of Fame is quite a short article. Mentioning this over there would keep all the information in the same article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 02:25, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.