Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bricherhaff


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus to delete is clear. Several want to redirect, but there's no agreement on where to redirect. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 01:04, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Bricherhaff

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Subject appears not to be a "small farming settlement", but a single farm. No evidence of notability apparent in the article, nor do there appear to be any reliable sources about the farm in question. CMD (talk) 13:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Luxembourg. CMD (talk) 13:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Redirect WP:Alternatives to deletion, I don't see why we can't redirect it to Contern, the name appears multiple times in the article. N1TH Music (talk) 13:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Comment Bricherhaff could also be redirected to Brichermillen as after all, both the mill and the farm are owned by the same farmer and Brichermillen has some sources and was originally moved to draftspace and was accepted when submitted for review. A section can be added to it about Bricherhaff. N1TH Music (talk) 14:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Neither the relevant Contern article content nor the Brichermillen article appear to have any reliable sources mentioning this property. (Brichermillen may potentially have one significant reliable source in Erpelding 1981, but there is no indication it mentions the property in question.) CMD (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That can be fixed, it's all about coordination, we see a problem (Non-notable article) and we should try to fix the problem, it's a quick job to add a section to Brichermillen about the farm next door literally owned by the same person. N1TH Music (talk) 16:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Not if we don't have reliable sources that support both the relevant content and its due weight. CMD (talk) 17:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll find some then, and have Brichermillen ready for the incoming redirect by tomorrow and since nobody is taking part in this discussion I don't see why we can't redirect immediately afterwards. N1TH Music (talk) 17:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Chipmunkdavis Actually Brichermillen already had "A few hundred meters northeast of the mill lies the Bricherhaff. Both buildings are owned by the same owner. Bricherhaff is on a separate road spur and is also atop the Syre." written within it's lead segment, is that not grounds for a redirect? N1TH Music (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, "Not if we don't have reliable sources that support both the relevant content and its due weight." CMD (talk) 18:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, please don't start redirecting every farm to a village, it isn't worth mentioning anywhere. Fram (talk) 18:52, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Fram but then why when I proded Kangani, Moyotte you redirected it to an article which mentions it by name once in a long list of other places. And stated "Redirect instead, WP:ATD, and easily verifiable that it exists (but hard to tell a lot about it)" and you redirected Eitermillen to Contern, so why is this any different? N1TH Music (talk) 05:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Because there is evidence that Kangani really is a village, with mdntions like here or more clearly here. Eitermillen should be deleted, I was too kind when I redirected it. Fram (talk) 07:38, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Fram Really? These places exist, obviously, they are Lieu-dits if you look at List of populated places in Luxembourg it has Eitermillen and Bricherhaff and I didn't at them to that list.
 * Lieu-dits are distinguished from towns and villages by their signage, instead of a yellow sign indicating one is entering the place, there is a white one, both Eitermillen and Bricherhaff have photo evidence of this signage, here and here.
 * Also as a side-note I agree with you that the article in their current form certainly don't belong here. But I also think there is room for improvement, maybe real sources can be uncovered. I searched google books for the search term "Bricherhaff" and some books, documents and directories came up, there is potential however little it may be. That's why I think we should redirect it because that removes the time limit for improving the article. When I'm no against the clock I can thoroughly check through my sources and create a good finished product. Like the Wester Pipe Railway or Brichermillen
 * N1TH Music (talk) 08:53, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Brichermillen is not a good finished product, it has only one potentially good source. Wester Pipe Railway has four supposed sources, two are blogs, one is literally a stock photo, and one is Google Maps (although the reference is written in a way that hides this). The assertion regarding redirects is bizarre, a redirect not existing doesn't mean someone can't look for sources. However, I would suggest leaving it alone either way if you think the sources on Wester Pipe and Brichermillen are good. CMD (talk) 09:06, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant I think the writing is good and it beats everything sourced to openstreetmap which I wrote at times. In my CIR discussion one editor said I "did a pretty good job" writing the wester pipe railway. I haevn't actually looked at it recently but I've just heard 1 or 2 good things. Besides my fact checking and source finding work now is way superior to what it was when I wrote, well Anything because I only started adopting it when I searched for sources for Blackslough and compiled them here I haven't written any new articles yet, nor have I properly expanded any of my old creations as I had intended to. Just the 2 article I listed, 1 I was told to create and I never heard a complaint about it and the other was submitted through AFC and accepted. N1TH Music (talk) 09:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Be that as it may, they have between them maybe one source demonstrating any sort of notability. You may register that as a "complaint" if wanted, and I highly recommend not citing them as good products if you are actually seriously trying to learn how to contribute content here (and not on say, Wikivoyage). CMD (talk) 09:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * My bad, you have a good point. I guess if I want to demonstrate that I can make a good product, I should actually make a good product. Tell me if I create a good article, will that make WP:CIR concerns diminish slightly. Can I prove I know what I'm doing? N1TH Music (talk) 09:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * A better course of action would be to heed the advice Ovnius has already given you on your talkpage. CMD (talk) 09:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * But that doesn't help me in the short term, I've made a couple edits here and there like he told me to. N1TH Music (talk) 09:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails GNG and GEOLAND which clearly states: Census tracts, Abadi, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable. Abadi=rural locality. Bricherhaff is a very small private farm that is about .5 km long. My driveway is longer than that.  Atsme  💬 📧 02:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Atsme Bricherhaff may be an Abadi but it is commonly recognised, all the locals here know it by name and I know that's just hearsay but then there's evidence that the Commune of Contern recognises Bricherhaff as not a farm but a settlement. There's other farms in Contern, such as Heederhaff, but heederhaff is located within the town of Contern and thus Nobody recognises it a settlement. The issue brought up here is important, but couldn't it be solved by finding more sources? this article doesn't seem as hopeless as Faerschthaff was. N1TH Music (talk) 05:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect tp Brichermillen as suggested above. If it's regionally well-known, even with no sources, a redirect isn't the same as an article, so notability criteria don't apply. Also, redirects are harmless. If there are no hits on the redirect after a year, we can delete it easily. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , please reconsider the underside of redirects which is quite the opposite of harmless as evidenced by this discussion. Redirects can be and are reverted, and sometimes flipped by a user dodging AfC, possibly by a UPE. This article's log shows it was a successful PROD that was later recreated by, then it was draftifed and again, recreated by . The article is/has been a time sink, and there are other similar non-notable articles created by that same editor that need reviewing.  Atsme 💬 📧 22:37, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree. A redirect can be edit-protected. In fact, if the name has been repeatedly recreated and this AFD is closed as redirect, the logical thing for the closing administrator would do is protect it. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Anachronist, but I align with Fram on this one (and we rarely agree) because I also hope we don't start redirecting every small farm to a village, especially one that's only getting around 2500 views/year which is less than my UTP has gotten in a month. I added a picture of the farm so you can visualize what the redirect is actually for; i.e., a small, private farm.  Atsme 💬 📧 02:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems to have exactly the same issues as the articles discussed at ANI back in June. The Brichermillen article also seems to have similar issues; it seems to be largely OR based on map websites. The only source that might confer notability (Erpelding, 1981) doesn’t seem to be available online, so unless N1TH Music posts some quotations there’s no way of knowing whether it amounts to significant coverage. Brunton (talk) 09:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What about a redirect? N1TH Music (talk) 09:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * See what CMD has posted above. What does Erpelding 1981 say about Bricherhaff? Brunton (talk) 09:41, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can't check at the moment, but if I get back to you with evidence from that book or other reliable sources will that change your vote? N1TH Music (talk) 11:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That depends on what the sources say. Brunton (talk) 11:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Just some random farm, no evidence of notability, not even worth a redirect. Avilich (talk) 01:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Given its mentioned on a road sign that may be enough to mention it (and redirect to) its municipality Contern.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 10:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.