Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brion Carnes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. If the subject does become notable you can ask me to restore it or visit WP:UNDELETE Black Kite (talk) 08:40, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Brion Carnes

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Non-notable college football player. Coverage does not extend beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. Does not meet notability requirements per WP:NCOLLATH.  Barkeep  Chat/''' 12:54, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * • Gene93k (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * • Gene93k (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Guys. Here is the skinny on Carnes. He is a very talented athlete for the Nebraska Cornhuskers. He just may explode this year. It's very possible. He is the 2nd cousin of Tommie Frazier, and some of the Nebraska Cornhusker faithul see him as being maybe another Tommie Frazier.

Right now, Taylor Martinez is entrenched as the starter at NU. However, Carnes has a tremendous up side and should get a lot more work this fall. If y'all could just hold back on your judgement for just a few more months, you may see why I feel this way.

Either way though - what y'all decide to do, it is fine. I'm OK with whatever.(still I need to chronicle Carnes on my own because he has three years left with Nebraska - and might be a very talented late bloomer, i.e. Iowa's Brad Banks!)  Brion Carnes' season to shine could be in 2012 - but is more probable for 2013. At this point, I just don't know. He keeps the "great athlete quarterback" tradition at the University of Nebraska (Tommie Frazier, Steve Taylor, Turner Gill, Jammal Lord, Scott Frost, Mickey Joseph, McCathorne Clayton, Mike Grant, Keithen McCant, Eric Crouch, Nate Mason, Bobby Newcombe) alive by his presence being on their roster.

All I do know is that he is a tremendous athlete! He runs a 4.45 in the 40 yard dash - and is quicker than Taylor Martinez. I didn't say as "speed fast" as Martinez (who runs about a 4.40), but Carnes runs a nasty option - and his timing on the delivery of his pitches can just mess up a defense.

I can't wait to see what he does this fall. Just my two cents! Rod Hayes (talk) 18:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Userfy I think this is a candidate to userfy the article. "Ain't done it yet" means "not notable yet" and I believe that Rod is correct in his prediction, Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Userfy. I'll second Paul's suggestion above.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, just let me know if indeed the decision is to go with Userfy. I don't know how to perform the function of "Userfy" as how to make Carnes' article just so I can edit it "on my page" while he develops in Nebraska's system as their 2nd string quarterback, but it sounds like a good idea. I don't know who developed Carnes biography to start with, but I am a big fan of him - and was the moment Nebraska signed him right out of high school. This will be better than deleting it. I just need to read up on how I would place this article inside my user page as far as using the "Userfy" method. This sounds OK to me, though. Thanks, guys. Rod Hayes (talk) 03:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete and do not userify. We would only userify if there were some prospect of an article being soon possible. As her defender says, it may take him 3 years more to develop his potential. The usual maximum time to userify is 3 months or sometimes 6.  The purpose of userification is to gove time for an article to be written about a notable subject, not to give the extended time necessary for a subject to do the things that might eventually make for notability. By that standard, we should write and userify articles on everyone here, for we all might eventually become notable. DGG ( talk ) 07:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment while I see your point, I think it's an extreme example. But if we did go that far (and I'm not saying we should) I don't think that would violate any policy, would it?--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per DGG - There is also the option of deleting the article, then if the user wants to recreate it, he can ask an administrator at Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles to userfy it to work with it. And then there's another option of completely redoing the article when time comes. Currently, I doubt userfication for such a long period of time is really going to work well. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Plus, the subject's notability is on the table. So what if he turns out to be non-notable after all? Michaelzeng7 (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

You know, men. I think Nebraska head coach Bo Pelini knows the "notability" issue of Brion Carnes. Thing is, Carnes is a quarterback. He has to learn the system before he can be placed into "game-like" conditions. Carnes' value to Nebraska - I think I can say - is pretty high. It's higher than what the typical spectator would view it as. Sure, he hasn't had the type of impact of a player like last year's Oregon's true freshman running back De'Anthony Thomas, but you have to remember that it is a lot easier for a team to work in a youthful highly touted freshman running back than it is for that same team to break in a QB.

I am thinking that Carnes can be every bit as explosive as De'Anthony Thomas. Again, we'll just have to see how the season plays out. Nebraska is a great fit for Carnes, and if that big offensive line can crank it up (yes, I know about current news of sophomore OL Tyler Moore leaving Nebraska to go home to Florida) - then Carnes can do some damage as a runner and passer. I am aware that Taylor Martinez is "their man," but football is a very physical game. We should see Carnes in the game this year for Nebraska. And if that Cornhusker offensive line does as it has in times past, the sky is the limit.Rod Hayes (talk) 22:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * On the flip side, he could suffer a career ending injury before the season ever starts and never play another snap of football again. Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball. He hasn't done anything yet to be notable under Wikipedia guidelines.  Barkeep  Chat/''' 13:10, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Really? The "Bo Pelini knows what is notable" argument?  I haven't actually heard that one before.  Maybe we should add it to Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Guys, I'm just having fun with this. Carnes has to prove it on the field. It's going to be an exciting season. This is what college football fans live for. Rod Hayes (talk) 01:24, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.