Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bristol and Avon League


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The Bushranger One ping only 23:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Bristol and Avon League

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Following on from a discussion at WT:FOOTY the consensus about this and other English leagues below level 11 is that they do not appear to have inherent notability. This article also looks like it fails WP:GNG so should be deleted. Adam4267 (talk) 15:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 15:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Non-League football - I contested the PROD as I felt this required further discussion. I agree that the league is not notable enough for an standalone article, but could well form a section on Non-League football, or perhaps on a new article specifically about lower level non-league leagues. Non-League football system or Non-League football pyramid perhaps? GiantSnowman 15:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - given the 100 or so leagues being considered for deletion, an article on lower level non-league leagues would unfortunately probably end up as little more than a list with a few brief notes. I have suggested an alternative approach on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football linked to the relevant County Football Association.League Octopus (League Octopus 18:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC))
 * A good idea, but this league is affiliated to two county FAs. GiantSnowman 19:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the link Struway, read the story, which looked quite familiar - this needs to be addressed, too. Cloudz 679 04:45, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - accords with WP:GNG in a historical context as well as being a unique source. League Octopus (League Octopus 18:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC))
 * Keep One person making a comment about leagues below level 11 on WP:FOOTY does not make for a consensus. The current clubs are clearly not notable, but I don't see why the league itself shouldn't be, particularly as it included teams from Bristol City and Bristol Rovers in the past. Number   5  7  11:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment This discussion may be the victim of some off-Wiki canvassing, so better watch out for SPA !votes. Number   5  7  14:54, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment the article seems to be peppered with original research, e.g. "A careful appraisal of the league records indicates", which suggests the information cannot be attributed to a reliable source, and "There were also a few clubs from South Gloucestershire such as Henfield Youth and Pilning Athletic", which reads to me like not only is a reader not sure which clubs are involved, but I cannot check, and I get the feeling that the writer himself isn't even sure. I also had problems finding a working link for one of the citations, which should support at least four points made in the article. Regarding the references in general, I feel, due to this "On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, national, or international source is necessary.", there are two references which are of limited interest, one which is a primary source and the other one is a local newspaper. It looks like it is not enough at the moment but I am willing to wait for more information before voting. Cloudz 679 15:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed the dead link: googling the article's headline produced a live link as first search result. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I thank you for giving me the opportunity to develop this article further and respond to the points raised by Cloudz679 - this I will undertake shortly. At the moment I am able to confirm that thisisbristol.co.uk is the website of the Bristol Evening Post (and also serves its sister paper the Western Daily Press). An article in the Guardian confims that the Bristol Evening Post is a regional evening paper and of course the Western Daily Press is widely acknowledged as a regional daily. League Octopus (League Octopus 21:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC))
 * Thank you for noticing the copypasting, which I've now rephrased. If you still think it's too close a paraphrase, which it might well be, please feel free to improve it. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Additions made and references added to the history section.League Octopus (League Octopus 11:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC))


 * Keep as all my concerns have been addressed, the article is looking good and is now worthy of inclusion in my opinion. Cloudz 679 21:30, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
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