Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British-India Holocaust


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The result was   delete. PhilKnight (talk) 16:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

British-India Holocaust

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Biased violation of WP:SOAP; use of words "holocaust" and "genocide" and comparisons to Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia evince the biased approach of the editor. Also, duplicate (refers to the same topic) of Great Famine of 1876–78, a far longer, more detailed, more balanced article. LordAmeth (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Delete. Oppression of Indian people during colonial era is definitely worthy topic to have an article, an encyclopedic article without soapboxing like in this case. We have enough "Allegations of apartheid" non-sense already, and there is need to start "Allegations of Holocaust" tradition M0RD00R (talk) 19:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, inherent violation of WP:NPOV. Stifle (talk) 19:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete This article's title is not compatible with WP:NPOV. The contents are also non-neutrally written. Apart from the references, which might be added to a different article covering this period of Indian history, there's nothing encyclopaedic that can really be rescued from this article.  S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 20:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Great Famine of 1876–78. The article itself is too emotional, and not enough sourced, to be kept.  Mandsford (talk) 21:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete This is best covered in Great Famine of 1876–78. I've said before and I will say again it's bad to have 2+ versions of an article, one with a neutral title for an event and another that is a POV. Every time the neutral title version has a shot at neutrality while the POV titled one exists for POV purposes. Let's just have one article, and improve it. --Rividian (talk) 23:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete As the article is a POV fork of Great Famine of 1876–78 Nick Dowling (talk) 02:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete: Let see, clearly fails WP:NPOV; relies on a single source hence, fails WP:RS; title itself is blatantly WP:OR. gcount for "British-India Holocaust" gives only 7 links(1 to this AFD; 1to this article:Late Victorian Holocaust also under AFDArticles for deletion/Late Victorian Holocaust; rest are videos). --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 04:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per D'Souza, everyone else. Edward321 (talk) 14:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per everyone else. Violation of WP:NPOV. Lehoiberri (talk) 20:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete and Salt -- the topic is adequately covered in Great Famine of 1876–78. It is possible that British governors were misguided in their policies, and may have adopted harsh policies on famine relief for finacnial reasons, but I cannot believe that they deliberately cause a famine, let alone a genocide or holocaust.  This is a POV article, lacking the NPOV required by WP.  Modern newspaper articles are virually useless as a historical source for events of a century or more before, and must be disregarded.  This leaves one source cited as University of Wisconsin, but it is not clear if this is a book, a research paper or a student essay.  On an emotive issue such as this reliable sources ought to be from peer-reviewed journals or books from academic publihsers.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--Yopie 03:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-neutral, neologism, POV fork of Great Famine of 1876–78.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The article uses a source identified as "How Britain Denies its Holocausts, Why do so few people know about the atrocities of empire? By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 27th December 2005".  I have looked for this article, including in the Guardian's archive, and I have determined that it does not exist.  George Monbiot only published one article in the Guardian that day, and it was called "The Turks haven't learned the British way of denying past atrocities" .  It does argue the famine in India was caused by the British, but nowhere does it assert that the famine was a "Holocaust".  I say this because the creator of the British-India Holocaust article is using this Guardian piece to try and ensure the British-India article is kept up, and I don't want people to be mislead by a source that has been manipulated, it would seem, by the creator to push his POV.  As a result, I have tried to remove the mentioning of the false Guardian piece in the British-India article.  However, the creator of the B-I article has reversed my removal on the two occassions I have tried to do so, and the creator has not offered any reasonable explanation why.  JEdgarFreeman (talk) 22:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I believe the article should be deleted for several reasons.  Firstly, 'British-India Holocaust' is a neologism that breaks WP:NPOV.  One could argue that the sources used by the article mean that 'British-India Holocaust' isn't a neologism.  They do look reliable, but the fact that one source that was listed has been shown to not exist, does make me cast doubt over the rest of the sources listed.  Unfortunately, the user who added the sources has not added enough information for me to check the sources, and thus I feel this article does not yet meet WP:V, and as a result does not also meet, imo, WP:N.  If someone could verify the rest of the sources listed, that would be excellent.  Another reason why I believe this article should not exist is the fact that there is already an article covering the Great Famine of 1876–78, and duplicates of the same subject should not be allowed.  I believe the Great Famine of 1876–78 article should be kept at the expense of the British-India Holocaust article, because the Great Famine of 1876–78 one is much more balanced.  If the sources used in the B-I article can be verified, I will consider advocating a merge between the B-I and the Great Famine of 1876–78 article.  Until that happens, I believe Delete is the appropriate action to be taken against the B-I article.  JEdgarFreeman (talk) 10:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


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