Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Rail Class 51


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes. There is a clear consensus that the article should be merged, however, there are differing views to the target. There was no counter-response to the rebuttal of British Rail as a target and as participants have not subsequently engaged on that suggestion as a target it does not have consensus. Of the other suggested targets, the unbuilt locomotive classes list apppears the most frequenly amongst choices offerred by participants, therefore I see a rough consensus for that as the target. (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn (talk) 07:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

British Rail Class 51

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This never-built locomotive class is not individually notable and does not justify an article. It should be a redirect to one sentence at List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 04:05, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and United Kingdom. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep (first preference) or merge. The existence of three independent sources on the article rather suggests that this is actually notable. I don't have access to those sources, but I have no reason not to assume good faith about them, nor have I looked for additional sources. The issue with merging is that there are multiple equally good targets List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes, British Rail Class 55, English Electric diesel engines and possibly others, and any such merge is likely to result in the removal of sourced encyclopaedic information for no good reason. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Normally I would AGF, but this was authored by the community-banned Australian railroad IP, who is known for misrepresentation of sources and creating articles on non-notable subjects. I don't have access to the sources myself, but I would imagine more than this could be said about the proposed locomotive class if it were independently notable. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have two of the four (not three) sources, and have given my opinion of them at Talk:British Rail Class 51. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 10:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge The pertinent information could be merged to, say, British Rail, since this was a proposed locomotive class for BR. TH1980 (talk) 23:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * British Rail is a very poor merge target when List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes exists. British Rail is far too general of a subject matter for this to be merged there, it would be out of scope. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Relisting as there are several different Merge/Redirect target articles suggested. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect per nom. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 03:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist. Looking over the discussion it now looks like there are 4 different Redirect/Merge target articles being suggested. If there is no agreement on the horizon this will likely close as No consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * merge selectively to Napier Deltic where the designs could be summarized as an unexecuted project. It's the Deltic engine that really gives these any notability at all. Mangoe (talk) 05:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I could also go with a redirect to List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes. Mangoe (talk) 23:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge with British Rail Class 50: using the same chassis as the Class 50 and a modified body makes it a better merge target than the somewhat different Class 55, I believe. (I know; sorry, Liz...) Owen&times; &#9742;  22:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes; somewhat against merging to as above; purely on the premise of lack of sourcing, apart from using chassis/body I see no reason to merge to there. Its like merging HS4000 and  together. Nightfury 21:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.