Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Winter Tour '74


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The result was   redirect to Pink Floyd French Summer Tour 1974 .  MBisanz  talk 04:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

British Winter Tour '74
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Non-notable tour. While the band is certainly notable, the article is just a list of tour dates, with nothing to suggest that the tour itself is notable as per WP:NOTINHERITED. Rwiggum (Talk /Contrib ) 21:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, a non-notable tour that fails to satisfy the general notability guideline with significant coverage in reliable, third-party, sources.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 23:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: trivial coverage, non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 05:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and merge with Pink Floyd French Summer Tour 1974 - the tour certainly is notable. It was the first UK tour after their magnum opus Dark Side... was released - note the few English dates in Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon Tour 1972-1973. The tour is heavily featured in standard Floyd secondary like Schaffner's Saucerful of Secrets (five pages, incl. one for the French dates), Mabbett's Complete Guide in the chapters for Wish You Were Here (album) and Animals (album), as well as Mason's Inside Out: A Personal History of Pink Floyd. Other non-trivial coverage includes the famous review from New Musical Express (November 23, 1974) by Nick Kent about David Gilmour not washing his hair. This and Pete Erskine's follow-up from January 11, 1975 fill almost 20 pages in Bruno MacDonald's Pink Floyd: Through the Eyes of... - and yes, it's mostly about the show, not the hair. Echoes: The Complete History by Glenn Povey and Comfortably Numb by Mark Blake also cover the topic as does Vernon Fitch's Pink Floyd - The Press Reports 1966-1983. Chris Charlesworth and Karl Dallas wrote feature articles about the tour for Melody Maker, Derek Jewell for the Sunday Times. Together with the short French tour - which were somewhat a trial run - these shows brought several novelties: Mr. Screen, the famous circular screen was first introduced on these tours (not to mention the expensive videos that were made especially for the tour and are still used in solo and band concerts) as well as three of the most important Floyd songs: "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", "Sheep (song)" and "Dogs (Pink Floyd song)". Both tours were heavily bootlegged (most notably as British Winter Tour '74, some fans thought this album to be official) because half of the show consisted of unreleased material and "Dogs" and "Sheep" were only released almost three years later on Animals in early 1977. Other anecdotes include the "Gini Bitter Lemon" incident that resulted in an unreleased song called "Bitter Love", and in technically terms a new mixing desk especially maufactured for this tour as well as a giant rotating mirror ball. The tour is also remembered for its humorous tourbook . -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  18:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * But nothing that you mention actually constitutes "substantial coverage". Mostly it's writings about the band coming from people and sources that write about the band, and write about the tour BECAUSE they write about the band. Pink Floyd has a very devout fan following, and because of that nearly every part of their history has been covered in detail by these sources. However, this is not "substantial third-party coverage" that proves notability per the general notability guidelines. Besides, a lot of the sources you call "famous" are only famous among diehard fans. A review that calls out the band for not washing their hair may be legendary among devoted fans, but that still doesn't serve WP:GNG. Also, the fact that it was the first tour where they played a certain song or album does not make the tour notable, as the tour's notability cannot be inherited from the notability of the album. Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 22:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you read the articles by Nick Kent, Pete Erskine, Chris Charlesworth, Karl Dallas and Derek Jewell to state they're not substantial enough? And I don't think the New Musical Express, the Melody Maker and The Sunday Times only write about Pink Floyd at all. Did you even read my notes (not to mention a bit of own research) or did you just copy your comment under all my !votes? Please note that the cited books mainly reflect newspaper and magazine articles, especially Schaffner's book, while MacDonald's book is basically a collection of important articles and interviews. Sorry, but it's much easier to buy a few books than collecting myriads of old newspapers, don't you think so? But I guess most of those articles could be found on the internet, too.  and more:   -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa  Chord 2  23:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  —-- Avant-garde a clue - hexa  Chord 2  19:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: nothing inherently notable about this tour, a list of dates without explanation. A-Kartoffel (talk) 03:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and merge with Pink Floyd French Summer Tour 1974 into Pink Floyd Tours/1974--Buster7 (talk) 05:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, a short concert tour not even used to promote any releases. Pink floyd had some huge tours but sadly this isn't one of them. TheClashFan (talk) 10:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


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