Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British silent horror (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Move to British horror cinema. Consensus to keep content has now been reached. To rename has stronger backing than keep or merge. TigerShark (talk) 23:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

British silent horror
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Not a real, recognized cinematic sub-category, just a description. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and United Kingdom. Shellwood (talk) 12:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nom says not a real sub-category, but sources in the article say otherwise. Particularly The British Horror Film: from the Silent to the Multiplex and "The British Silent Horror Film and the First World War". SpinningSpark 16:32, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No. The British Horror Film: from the Silent to the Multiplex is a history of the British horror genre, so naturally it would include the silent era. Should there be an article on Multiplex British horrors or Sound British horrors? One paper is insufficient. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The article's creator stated in their first edit, "I have created this page to give a brief history of British silent horror films", so the material might be appropriate for History of horror films, but not as a standalone. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, pretty clear-cut case of WP:SYNTH. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to History of horror films as there is not enough coverage for a standalone article in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. The material on "British silent horror" might be minimal, but there is a plethora of material on the more general "British horror cinema" .  We have no article on this more general genre (although we do have an article on Hammer horrors).  It seems perverse to me to get rid of an article that covers part of a clearly notable topic.  It makes more sense to wait for the creation British horror cinema and then merge there.  The suggested merge target is too broad and does not have a section for British horror, so imo a merge would actually be more work than creating such an article.
 * By the way, Brown's paper (on the First World War aspect) has something relevant to say on the lack of sources: "In part this is due to the difficulty of attributing films to the horror genre before it existed." In other words, in Brown's view, source material exists, but is not explicitly named as being horror. SpinningSpark 08:25, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. No need for this to be a stand-alone article. Overspecification. Doczilla  @SUPERHEROLOGIST 09:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: There seems to be consensus that this should not be a standalone article. However, one comment explicitly suggests merging, and others feel that it is overly specific, which could be addressed with a merge rather than a straight deletion. Relisting to give time for further discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TigerShark (talk) 21:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Overspecified classification not widely discussed in reliable sources. Avilich (talk) 02:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename to British horror cinema per User:Spinningspark's Comment and reframe to all British horror cinema and a sub-section about silent. If/when the silent section gets long enough it can split off to a separate article. -- Green  C  17:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, well sourced (including mention of the topic) and encyclopedic. I literally have no idea why this was nommed. Have made a few obvious edits including a year fix, and agree with Spinningspark's analysis of the topic's notability. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:22, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to History of horror films. Significant coverage exists, however the source article would benefit from the context and the target article would benefit from preventing WP:FORK. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Weak Merge, delete would also be fine. It's not terribly written, but unfortunately I think it's an overspecification. From what I can see, only one ref specifically mention "The British Silent Horror Film" as a subcategory, and other probably don't mention this extensively as an exclusive category, so I don't think it meets GNG, though it's borderline. But I also (very weakly) oppose straight deletion, as the article has good, well-cited elements, so I think merging to History of horror films (and possibly creating an article British horror cinema perhaps) would probably be the best. VickKiang (talk) 08:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to British horror cinema in the manner that GreenC suggests. Spinning Spark has demonstrated the notability of the subject. Lightburst (talk) 15:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename Well enough sourced already. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename, to British horror cinema. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> has shown that British horror cinema is notable, but it seems that British silent horror specifically is not particularly, with only one notable production discussed in the article (The Beetle). SailingInABathTub (talk) 22:10, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.