Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Broda O. Barnes


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The result was withdrawn by submitter. Seems to be a notable subject, although their views appear nowadays to be outside the medical mainstream. -- The Anome (talk) 13:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Broda O. Barnes

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Appears to have been a fringe medical figure. No independent evidence of notability provided: references provided are to the "official" website of the article subject, and to a book written by the article subject. No reference is provided for the 1942 JAMA paper, nor does publishing one article in JAMA confer notability. Article added by User:Mkronber, each of whose article contributions (to Hypothyroidism‎ and Red hair) have linked to same website, and has not edited on any other topic. According to the Mkronber's own edits, Barnes' Basal Temperature Test "...was never widely adopted in the medical community." The contributions to Red hair stating that Barnes believed that all redheads suffer from hypothyrodism appear unsupported by any other medical research I can find. -- The Anome (talk) 20:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Please Google "Broda O. Barnes". You will see he is a famous and revered figure in parts of the mainstream medical community, and a majority of the growing alternative health community.  His ideas, which have long been overlooked, are now gaining momentum. Several recent books by medical doctors, claim that his work is the foundation of theirs:
 * Hypothyroidism Type II, Dr. Mark Starr MD (2005)
 * Your Thyroid and How to keep it healthy, Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfield MD (2003)
 * Solved: the Riddle of Illness, Dr. Stephen Langer, MD (2006)


 * He is also mentioned in a section of the New York Times best selling book: "Living Well with Hypothyroidism" by Mary J. Shomon, a well known patient advocate in the Thryoid area.


 * The reason the JAMA article couldn't be linked, was because JAMA doesn't provide links past a certain date. This is only one of many scientific articles he has published.  Please do not delete this page, more references could be added to fulfill the Wikipedia.org requirements.
 * --Mkronber (talk) 21:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I did. The links found there are instructive. Can you find any independent attributable reliable sources that can attest to Barnes' notability, per WP:BIO? One example of a suitable source might be a biography of Barnes, or a review of his contributions to medicine, published in a peer-reviewed journal. Other possible sources might include newspaper articles about his life and works. -- The Anome (talk) 22:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I found this (page 5 references his research and two of his books are listed in the References section, as well as he seems to be referenced several times in this:  Elishabet (talk) 01:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep He appears to have many references under the permutations of his name. He is referred to as "Broda Otto Barnes". "B.O. Barnes" and "Broda O. Barnes". --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep It's easier in this case to tell as a popular medical writer: WorldCat lists 3 unique books: 324, 172, 267 libraries. Given that they're rather old, from before WorldCat became universally used, I think its significant. More significant yet is that the libraries keeping them include all the major med schools--they would not normally keep popular medicine if it wasn't notable, or from a seriously notable person. DGG (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep From what I can tell he seems to be notable within his specific field, even if not all of his ideas have been adopted, he is still referenced when people discuss hypothyroidism. Elishabet (talk) 01:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


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