Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BrokeNCYDE (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  So Why  15:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

BrokeNCYDE
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No realiable sources asserting notability. Despite searching extensively, I have found none. Dendlai (talk) 05:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep: Rolling Stone stub profile: []. Confirmed signed band for Warped Tour 2009 ; Buzznet articles: tour with Jeffree Star:, appearance on DJ Rosstar's radio show: , House of Blues tour, (multiple locations): , ; URB (magazine) article ; Crunk Energy Drink sponsored band: . -- Oliver Twisted  (Talk)  06:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * All those sources are either extremely trivial limited to mentioning the band name, or blogs, or both. I don't see how they meet notability. Dendlai (talk) 06:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but probably not if you are into that genre of music. Punk rock is by definition, not mainstream. Wikipedia has articles on virtually every band performing in the 2009 Warped tour. It seems counter-productive to start deleting them one by one before the concert tour even launches. If a parent is trying to find out, for example, whether it would be appropriate for a child to see a particular band in the Warped tour, it would be helpful to have some objective information about the band. I'm not saying that information is currently in the article, it's just a point to consider. -- Oliver Twisted  (Talk)  06:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds like Otherstuffexists. The fact is still that there are no reliable secondary sources that I have found or been pointed to. That they *might* get coverage by reliable secondary sources due to a tour they are scheduled to be on next year I don't see how it is an argument to keep now. Dendlai (talk) 06:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As someone interested in music, I would argue that any band lucky enough to be invited on the Warped tour achieves notability due to that honor. I also think that sometimes we have to take a stand when there are 2 forces at work. One force has been actively creating articles on the list of Warped Tour 2009. If you visit the page, you'll notice the list is almost complete. Another force has tagged this band for deletion. In this particular case, I'm going to side with the inclusionists. I understand this doesn't add to the merits of my argument, but I'm sticking with it. Cheers. -- Oliver Twisted  (Talk)  06:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking at the references given above:
 * Rolling Stone stub profile: [] - trivial mention
 * Confirmed signed band for Warped Tour 2009 - trivial mention
 * Buzznet articles: tour with Jeffree Star - trivial mention
 * appearance on DJ Rosstar's radio show - not a reliable source
 * House of Blues tour - you can buy a ticket for my six year old daughter's school play, it doesn't mean it is notable
 * House of Blues tour - gig listings are not reliable sources
 * URB (magazine) article - not a reliable source
 * Crunk Energy Drink sponsored band - like, so what?
 * I have no doubt that the band exists, that they are playing on the 2009 Warped Tour, that they are an important, well-respected and soon-to-be-hugely successful name on the punk scene. I have no doubt that all the other bands on the Warped Tour have articles, that we're the real losers here for not understanding underground music movements, or that these guys fucking ROCK, like seriously dude. These references and the article do not meet WP:MUSIC. Delete, unless reliable sources are forthcoming. sparkl!sm hey! 07:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Humor is always welcome in these discussions. At least people are spending some time on these arguments, and not just throwing a delete up because they haven't heard of a band. As a side note, I'm not a fan of screamo music and when I was searching for references to use, the audio clips were making dogs howl down the street. However, if you live on the West Coast, it is generally considered common wisdom that any band playing on the Warped Tour are basically gods. If not, it might seem like some random concert tour. -- Oliver Twisted  (Talk)  08:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep as it meets the minimal requirements of notability. MuZemike  ( talk ) 07:57, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:OliverTwisted. - Mgm|(talk) 15:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Rolling Stone has featured thousands of bands across decades. That doesn't mean each one is worthy of remembrance.  Hooper (talk) 05:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:50, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: The weak claims of notability fail to meet Wikipedia's policy on verifiability by having reliable sources to prove the band meets the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. --JD554 (talk) 09:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: JD554 and Sparklism put it well. --John (talk) 17:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: article fails to establish significant notability, per WP:MUSICBIO. JamesBurns (talk) 07:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: i still cannot understand why people are saying delete when notability has been established. Wake up people. Redvans (talk) 04:40, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Well, it's obvious this will go to a third round of AfD discussion. A note I'd like to get on the record, is that despite the overly flippant comments from some of the editors above, URB magazine is NOT a trivial source. The band therefore meets the minimum standards of Notability.
 * 1 ) Non-trivial appearance in a major publication: URB magazine.
 * 2) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc: MTV's TRL, song:Under the Radar: and Fearless Music TV on Fox:  Non-mainstream music does not mean not notable. -- Oliver  Twisted (Talk) (Stuff)  06:13, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree that an article in URB Mag would be a reliable source. However, the link given above is to one of their blogs - is this deemed reliable? Blogs are not classed as reliable sources. In any case, in order to meet WP:MUSIC, multiple reliable sources are required. I agree with the point that "Non-mainstream music does not mean not notable", but there are clear notability guidelines laid out at WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG - this band do not yet meet them. sparkl!sm hey! 11:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Second notable source: Washington City Paper: Also, while the general rule about the notability of blogs should be observed, Wikipedia is not a collection of absolutes. This particular blog is written by a member of the editorial staff of URB magazine, not a random blog by a fan. We don't just dismiss sources as trivial because of the way a magazine organizes their website. -- Oliver  Twisted (Talk) (Stuff)  12:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Every link is shaky. At first glance it appears that "hey this band should be golden they've got Rolling Stone talking about them" but you click on the link and its nothing. Same goes for every single link provided.  All useless. Hooper (talk) 17:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment The Washington City Paper article is another blog entry, discounting it as a reliable source. Hooper has it right - none of these links satisfy WP:MUSIC. sparkl!sm hey! 20:20, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


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