Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Broken Arrow killings


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Davewild (talk) 07:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Broken Arrow killings
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This seems to be just another run-of-the mill familicide and doesn't sound all that notable. I believe this article was created only because the death toll was high. However, as tragic as this incident may be, there are many others like it and I do not think this mass killing is anything unique. DisuseKid (talk) 01:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 01:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:43, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:43, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Leaning towards keep I expected to agree with Nom, a murder within a family, after all. But then I looked at the article creator's history.  He had previously stared articles on breaking family murder stories: Montgomery County, Pennsylvania shootings, 2014 Spring, Texas shooting.  The articles come to AFD on the same grounds Nom used here; proper, policy-driven grounds.  But there seems to be a trend to keep the articles.  True the keep arguments are often versions of WP:OTHERSTUFF,  but here :
 * User:Libertarian12111971 argues "if this article is marked for deletion, then it honestly wouldn't make sense if the 2013 Santa Monica shooting, 2013 Hialeah shooting, 2012 College Station, Texas shooting, Clackamas Town Center shooting, Southern California Edison shooting, etc., etc. articles aren't."  At this point, I begin to wonder if, in fact, it is now the practice to interpret mass killings as WP:NOTABLE.   And here, the last two argument read this way:
 * "Strong Keep - A notable event, well covered and well documented. Mass murder is notable by its very nature."
 * "Delete per WP:EVENT. An encyclopedia is not a newspaper. Shooting sprees are regrettably common, and naturally cause a short-term flurry of press coverage, but unless they can be shown to have some long-term significance they don't belong here."

The article was kept. And it seems to me that two arguments for keeping can be compelling. 1) one is that it is, in fact, now the practice or trend on WP to keep multiple murders, even when committed by close friends, relatives. And 2) That it is right to keep articles on any topic that get extensive, and intensive news coverage, as articles on multiple killings tend to do, especially when the perpetrator survives and goes to trial. I'll revisit in a few days.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: It is the worst crime, and the worst mass murder, that Broken Arrow (population is over 100,000) has ever seen.
 * Keep or possibly Merge: It seems the information is keep-worthy. If nothing else, some of it may fit in the history section of Broken Arrow, being locally notable. I'd say let's wait to see which way it goes. Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 18:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep/Merge: Per Bahb. Indeed there are a lot of deadly familicides like this, but this is Broken Arrow's worst crime in its history, so maybe at least some of this can be kept. Versus001 (talk) 19:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: I am for keeping infamous crimes and this is certainly an infamous crime if for no other reason than the number of people killed. Five people were killed and two others injured.  I don't completely understand WP policy but it seems to me that all major crimes should be documented for data if for no other reason.  I note that we have an article on the killing at the theater in La.  I presume that will be kept but I am not sure why that would be kept and this would not.--Volcanoman7 (talk) 20:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)volcanoman7
 * Keep: I agree with the above post "It is the worst crime, and the worst mass murder, that Broken Arrow (population is over 100,000) has ever seen." Unfortunately, it is a very newsworthy event that has received national attention.
 * Comment - it's too early to tell so this should be re-assessed in a few months or so. Broken Arrow is not a big place (104,000 is not that notable, your standard suburb). Unless there is some other angle to make it notable, this will end up being a Dateline NBC episode at best for national coverage. The rest will be wall-to-wall local coverage as the biggest thing to happen in Broken Arrow since that last meth lab blew up. Unfortunately kids (and parents for that matter) kill their families at a ridiculous rate. Teenage boys killing their parents isn't that rare sadly. The older boy confessed so it doesn't seem there will be an extended trial.  —Мандичка YO 😜 10:45, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 *  Keep, redirect with history, or merge to "Broken Arrow, Oklahoma"- The incident is one of the worst in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma's history, and should be kept in some form. Although long term notability may be too difficult to determine now, we may wish to revisit the issue in the months to come. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:35, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notable because two brothers collaborated in the familicide, a very rare occurence. Also possibly notable if the speculation that further mass murder was planned is founded.
 * Keep: It is too soon to determine whether or not there is something bigger at stake here in this case. It has been speculated that this was just part one of an even bigger plan to outdo the Colombine shootings. Sogospelman (talk) 19:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: There's plenty of space in Wikipedia for horrors like this, if you know what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wintceas (talk • contribs) 00:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


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