Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bronisław Urbański


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The result was   delete. j⚛e deckertalk 04:48, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Bronisław Urbański

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I tried to fix this article, I also tried to collaborate with its author (at my talk page and at User_talk:Youngbruno), but I believe the article is unsalvageable (as much as I hate to admit it as plenty of work was put into this article by the author). Some of the problems with WP:NOT and WP:NOTOPINION could be solved, but there's a more serious problem with WP:NRVE and WP:OR

The article is filled with original research and unsourced statements, some of them really controversial (like the claim that Bronisław Urbański solved the mystery of 1943 Gibraltar B-24 crash in which General Władysław Sikorski died). Yet I couldn't find any reliable sources mentioning this particular Urbański. There are some Google Book hits, but they all refer to two other WWII people of that name, one killed by the Commies soon after the war, the other murdered in the Katyn massacre. The only source provided that would mention him by name is a ship manifest proving that a person of that name migrated to Australia after the war. It's not enough, the article definitely doesn't meet WP:NRVE.  // Halibutt 00:41, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've been trying on and off to clean up this article since 2013, extending good faith that this was sourceable to somewhere other than just what the user's father told him. While I'm sure that Bronislaw told the truth about his adventures during the war, the problem is that these stories were never told to historians and never published anywhere. We can't accept this sort of material as "my father told it to me and I know my father would never lie", because then dozens of other people would submit stories claiming that it was information known only to their fathers, and their fathers would never lie. And some of those people would be liars. Regrettably, I say delete. DS (talk) 01:15, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  01:57, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Subject doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SOLDIER. Also WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 11:06, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Thank you, Halibutt, for a detailed explanation. I guess I missed it when it was first created; but this is very much a hoax-bordering failure of WP:GNG/whatever Peacemaker67 wrote. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:10, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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