Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bronx Night Market


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The result was keep, according to participants except the nominator, this subject is considered notable by its coverage. Liz Read! Talk! 23:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Bronx Night Market

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Seasonal monthly event that has only local coverage. Does not appear to be notable. Paid creation. valereee (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and New York. valereee (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think. Unless I'm missing something. The COI has been declared. The article went through the AfC process. It's well cited with appropriate sources. Notability is demonstrated by the sourcing.  So that just seems to leave (from the issues mentioned) that the coverage is local. I'm not sure about that aspect.  Is there a policy that directs us towards rejecting only local sources? They are very reputable sources, as it seems.  I'm open to being persuaded if I'm wrong, so feel free to critique this analysis. CT55555 (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @CT55555, when sources are only local, we consider it routine coverage. Coverage of an event only in local papers (even if those local papers are also national papers) isn't enough. This is the kind of coverage an event in Dayton, Ohio would get from its local paper. If this were a notable event, the Chicago Tribune (or some other non-local paper) would also be covering it. valereee (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The New York Times is notable, the Bronx reporter and the rest seem to be local coverage. On the whole, I think it's enough to be kept. Could use an expansion for sure. Oaktree b (talk) 18:45, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Oaktree b and @CT55555, sources don't need to be notable themselves to prove notability. They need to be reliable, independent, and at least some of them outside the local area. All of the sources for this are inside a hyperlocal area. This event is notable inside NY City but no one outside the city is even aware of it. For Wikipedia purposes, that means the event is not notable. valereee (talk) 20:36, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I consider the New York Times at least a national newspaper, and it has a global readership. That said, I'm still not sure if criteria you are speaking about is opinion, guidance or consensus driven. Can you point towards where local newspaper coverage doesn't count towards notability please? CT55555 (talk) 21:21, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:AUD discusses local-only coverage. It's difficult for sources like the NYT, which are inherently national/international. But here's the thing: even the NYT covers local stuff that isn't national/international news. Would the NYT be covering this if it was located in Dayton? No. valereee (talk) 22:04, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:AUD is for companies. Is this a company? I guess maybe. I wonder, I think a market is more of a place. I think that's all up for debate. I don't know if NYT would cover this if it was in Dayton, but I'm not sure if that's a key thing here. NYT did cover it, and it is a national/global media outlet.  I accept this is up for debate, and your perspective, but having considered it, I remain keep. CT55555 (talk) 22:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a seasonal monthly event, and the people who run the event (the company) paid to have this article created because they hope that'll be good for business. I have no objection to you staying at Keep. I'm just telling you why I think the simple fact there's coverage of a NY event in a NY paper doesn't confer notability. If the NYT was covering a Chicago event, yes. For a NY event it's routine coverage. valereee (talk) 18:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - there are five good sources and significant coverage Bearian (talk) 15:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bearian, literally every source is local. NYT, Time Out NY, Eater NY, Bronx Times-Reporter, NY1. This is the kind of coverage every local event gets in its local media. It's practically the definition of routine. I'm sorry to bludgeon, here, but not every event/person/business in NYC is notable simply because the NYT covers it, same as any other newspaper in the country covers local events/persons/businesses. valereee (talk) 17:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * NYT coverage of the City, outside of elite or gentrifying neighborhoods, is so non-existent as to be a regular joke on social media. Bearian (talk)


 * Keep satisfies GNG. (AUD). Djflem (talk) 12:46, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


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