Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Alford Jr.


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The result was speedy keep. Withdraw my nomination based on feedback from Eagles247 and Gonzo fan2007 and sources added to the article, which means subject passes WP:NGRIDIRON. (non-admin closure) Steve Quinn (talk) 20:58, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Bruce Alford Jr.

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Previously PRODed biography of a living person (wp:blp). No significant coverage in independent reliable sources seems to be available. PROD tag was removed with the rationale this passes WP:NGRIDIRON. That is for "presumed" notability, not automatic notability. Article created in March 2006 and apparently no reliable sources have been available for 13 years. I think that is a sufficient amount of time. Does not seem to be a notable football player. Statistics alone are not considered to be reliable sources. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC and GNG. Steve Quinn (talk) 16:48, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:NGRIDIRON.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  16:54, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * From nom - I already pointed out that NGRIDIRON is for presumed notability of this player when this article was created a little over 13 years ago. It is an indicator of possible notability. It doesn't mean it is automatically notable. Multiple, independent, reliable sources are needed to indicate that this topic is indeed notable (per SPORTBASIC and GNG). It also fails WP:V in regards to notability. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 17:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, there are no reliable sources that indicate this subject passes NGRIDIRON - so that is not really the case either. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * NFL.com is a reliable source and it states he passes NGRIDIRON (as well as WP:V). It doesn't matter that the article has been around for 13 years without your personal threshold of reliable sources added, he is a notable football player according to Wikipedia guidelines since he has played in games. I have added additional sources to the article.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  17:43, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Where on the NFL page does it state this subject passes NGRIDIRON? I don't see it. In any case, I agree that NFL.com is a place to derive reliably sourced content. However a single statistical board on that page, with no other content, fails the requirement for notability. That is trivial coverage by any standards.
 * This means that NFL.com is not really a reliable source that indicates the subject passes NGRIDIRON. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 18:41, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Without significant coverage, two statistics boards (1 in references, 1 in infobox) are not sufficient for that. And, the sources recently added are merely passing mentions - trivial coverage. None of these satisfy the criteria for SPORTBASIC and GNG. And once again, NGRIDIRON means the subject is possibly notable, at any time. But not automatically notable.
 * Eventually, multiple sources that cover the subject significantly, beyond passing mention, are needed to establish notability. "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail...[s]ignificant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material". ---Steve Quinn (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * On NFL.com, the column titled "G" stands for "Games played" and it says he's played in a total of 27 regular season NFL and AFL games.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:58, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that. But there is no significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources about him in those games. That is just a statistics board. Steve Quinn (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  16:54, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  16:54, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep Per Eagles.-- Yankees10 18:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment from nom. Subject also fails BASIC and ANYBIO. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:10, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:ANYBIO is an "additional criteria" and the guideline states "A person who does not meet these additional criteria may still be notable under Notability". And WP:BASIC is just a summary of WP:GNG, this argument is repetitive.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment If a person passes WP:SPORTSBASIC they are "presumed" to be notable. If a person passes WP:NGRIDIRON they are "presumed" to be notable. If a person passes WP:GNG they are "presumed" to be notable. Why is it that the nominator believes passing one of these "presumptive" notability guidelines is overruled by possibly failing to pass other "presumptive" notability guidelines?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out. I will have to get back to you on it. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 20:33, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep, the subject is presumed notable since he played in a professional football league (per WP:GRIDIRON). Because he not only played in a game, but played in 27 games over three seasons with two separate teams, this presumption grows stronger. 'Discovered' TCU Specialist Big Weapon is a nice reliable source. NFL.com and Pro Football Reference provides his statistics. A number of other sources in the article provide additional information. A search of Newspapers.com provides numerous news articles covering Alford's time in college and the NFL. Lastly, his father Bruce Alford Sr. played professionally, making them one a set of father/son to play professional football. The article definitely needs to be improved, but that is no reason for deletion. « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 19:23, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as a straight-up WP:NGRIDIRON pass, per all above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 19:51, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above/all. UW Dawgs (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Withdraw my nomination based on feedback from and . ---Steve Quinn (talk) 20:54, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


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