Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Allen Berg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Bruce Allen Berg

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This biography is not notable and appears to be a memorial to a soldier. The article is unsourced, mainly because the subject is not very notable. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 16:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's circular reasoning Orange. Non-notable because it's not sourced because it's not notable. The way you wrote it looks like you started out with the assumption it was not notable, rather than checking first. Please reword the nomination. - Mgm|(talk) 09:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, There are approximate 587 people listed as being "Recipients of the Silver Star medal" and 1006 people as "Recipients of the Purple Heart medal", most of whom have pages for no other reason then receiving these awards. FYI: I do not know this person and/or write this page. ARTEST4ECHO |  talk  16:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - it is a shame that so many soldiers die in so many wars, but Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize them. Notability is not established by documenting the soldier's death on the web. Frank  |  talk  16:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - indeed, it's tragic that this man died, but per Frank, and failing to have met any encyclopedic notability, this article doesn't belong. KaySL (talk) 17:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - sorry, but Wikipedia is not a memorial site. JohnCD (talk) 18:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I disagree. As for "established by documenting the soldier's death on the web".  A Google search, 22 January 2009, of "Bruce Allen Berg" Vietnam dose show 176 hits.  Several mention him in other person’s biographical information in regards to his action during the battle where he was killed.  He is also discussed in the book An Enormous Crime "The Definitive Account of American POWs Abandoned in Southeast Asia by Former U.S. Rep Bill Hendon (R-N.C.) and Elizabeth A. Stewart.  His death is discuss as the authors belive that Berg may have been a captured persons left behind by US at end of war, not KIA (See 07 Aug 71).
 * Comment - Just because there are that many other articles existing while not meeting WP:N, doesn't mean it should set a precedent, eg. OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The only thing that seems to stand out in this article is the attempt to memorialise Mister Berg, which while understandable is against WP:Memorial. I don't think the fact that he earned a Silver Star and a Purple Heart is reason enough to keep the article. KaySL (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Receiving these awards is enough to establish notability. Not every article about a dead person is a memorial. We have a solid WikiProject Military History that can enlisted to do the referencing required. - Mgm|(talk) 09:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Could you please identify the reliable sources which are available for this purpose? Nick-D (talk) 09:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Lacks reliable sources needed to meet WP:BIO. I don't see any reliable sources in the Google search results above - indeed, many of them appear to be on Wikipedia mirrors. Nick-D (talk) 09:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I couldn't find any reliable sources neither, just mainly name-checks on memorial sites. Ryan 4314   (talk) 20:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - This individual was wounded in combat, and his body was never recovered. He has never been properly accounted for.  He was initially listed officially as in missing in action, but his status was later changed to killed in action (KIA-BNR) body not recovered.  The battle in which this individual fought, was wounded, and either killer or captured by the North Vietnamese Army, has been studied for the last four decades at the U.S. military academies, the U.S. Army War College, and Special Forces of most major nations. The USMC helecopter flight schools have played the audio taped radio transmissions during the battle to pilot trainees for over tirty years. This individual is historically significant and noteworthy in these multiple regards. Also, at least one video game has been made, based upon this battle. There are abundant reliable non-fiction sources for this individual and the battle he was lost in.  Loren D. Hagan was awarded the CMH posthumously for attempting to render aide to this individual.  Thanks for your interest and objective consideration of enhancing and improving this article. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 02:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment 50,000 soldiers died in Vietnam. So they all belong in this project?  My uncle, who was a Marine sergeant who died in an ambush during the Tet offensive, certainly was as heroic.  I'll expect an article on this anonymous and not notable individual.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 03:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll gladly assist in drafting an article about your USMC Uncle's Bio, his historic contributions, and his loss, if you're serious. How much information do you have about him?  Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 01:12, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Mate, that's not how Wikipedia works, Marlin was showing that Wikipedia demands that an individual needs to be covered in reliable and (independent of subject) sources. Sorry for your loss, but you might instead want to consider writing an article about the battle he was lost in, or the unit he was part of. Obviously these articles would have to follow the same guidelines and can't just be an exercise in dropping Mr Berg's name as many times as possible. I've done this sort of thing before with 2 different articles and would be willing to help you with what's ok for inclusion and what's not. Ryan 4314   (talk) 08:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. &#0149;Jim 62 sch&#0149; dissera! 19:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


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