Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruno Serato (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. MER-C 10:21, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Bruno Serato
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This article is terrible and was nothing but puffery, sourced to itself. I deleted most of it and the only thing that remains of note is perhaps the "CNN Hero" angle about some philanthropy. I'm not sure but I honestly think that I, personally, am more notable than this individual.

The article was deleted in 2011 (even with the CNN Hero source) and then recreated in 2017. Jorm (talk) 19:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * As one of the main contributors to this page, I respectfully disagree with you. You removed links from reliable, unaffiliated news sources. (Orange County Register)


 * To compare your own notoriety to Bruno's is wholly irrelevant. Notwithstanding that fact, a simple google search of your name and Bruno's name will clearly demonstrate you are indeed incorrect. There are roughly a dozen of pages of news articles, interviews from independent news sources, magazines, etc. demonstrating Bruno's notoriety around the world.  Sure, he has several links to his own site - which benefit his philanthropic works.  100% of the proceeds from his books are used to feed homeless and underprivileged children, to the tune of 5,055 per day.


 * You are correct that "the only thing that remains of note is the CNN Hero angle" about Bruno's charity. This is due to the fact that, as you've admitted, you deleted the rest (including the links to other, unaffiliated and notable news sources).
 * "Average Joes" do not get knighted by Italian Government and by the Italian Royal Family.


 * "Average Joes" do not raise over $200,000 in donations on kickstarter that someone else started for you. This was reported by several prominent news sources, such as CBS and ABC7. The community has gathered to support Bruno because of his notoriety that came about due to his charity, Caterina's Club.


 * You are right in pointing out the page was deleted in 2011. At that point, Bruno had not been knighted (twice), and his philanthropy "Caterina's Club" was only feeding a couple hundred kids every night. Now, Caterina's Club is feeding 5,055 Orange County and Los Angeles children that are underprivileged and from no-to-low-income families.  He is notable in the Southern California area and around the world.  He's provided over 3,000,000 FREE meals to these kids.  I think this is anything BUT ordinary and average.  This page should not be deleted.
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeikkiVeharanta (talk • contribs) 19:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * NOTE: It appears that HeikkiVeharanta has an extensive and undisclosed conflict of interest regarding the article subject, as it appears they sit on the board of the subject's charity.--Jorm (talk) 02:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * NOTE: is also an WP:SPA who has only edited on this article. Britishfinance (talk) 21:04, 8 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Jorm, thank you for your profound interest in the great work Mr. Serato and Caterina's Club do.  I am proud to say I am a Board Member of Caterina's Club.  I do not receive any compensation whatsoever for my position.  I am not an employee of Mr. Serato or any entity controlled by or associated with him.  I was not asked to contribute to Mr. Serato's page by anyone.  Though it is clear I have an interest in the work Mr. Serato does, I do not believe being interested in a topic in any way changes the veracity of what was posted.  The links to third party news sources (including OC Register, CBS, ABC7, OC Catholic) are in no way, shape, or form created by me.  The details in the links on Mr. Serato's page evidence facts that are mostly statistical in nature - such as the number of kids fed for free every night (5,055) and the fact he has been knighted twice - and are not based on opinions (such as "I think I am more notable than this individual"). I am uncertain how any bias would influence the data evidenced by these links. --HeikkiVeharanta (talk) 04:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - "knighted by the Italian government" (The Ordine al Merito della Repubblica Italiana (Order of Merit of the Italian Republic)) is a clear indicator of notability. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that over 20,000 people have received this honor within the past 7 years. It's not anything really special, I'm afraid.--Jorm (talk) 20:18, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep -per WP:ANYBIO "knighted by the Italian government" per Pigsonthewing. CNN award may also fit with ANYBIO Wm335td (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete knighthoods are way too common to make one notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:42, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rollidan (talk) 23:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete this is blatant PR cruft and it lacks entirely in independent reliable sources. Being one of 20k people to be knighted is a cool bar story but ultimately irrelevant to establishing notability. Praxidicae (talk) 18:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete COI-riddled article that lacks significant enough coverage to establish notability. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. -TheseusHeLl (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Drafting: Though the article seems good not properly written. Needs more work then it will be moved to mainspace. Rocky 734 (talk) 04:59, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


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