Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brutal death metal (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 15:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Brutal death metal
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Article previously deleted. Basically nominating for the same reasons as the "melodic black metal" article that was recently deleted. The word "brutal" is frequently used as a descriptor in death metal, as a swift Google will amply demonstrate. However, there are no reliable sources at all to suggest that "brutal death metal" exists as a separate and distinct subgenre. The Purcell cite that was used in the introduction didn't back up the claims being made by the article, and what remains is purely OR synthesis. The most you can say about this supposed subgenre genre is that it is death metal which some consider quite "brutal", which is crap even as a dicdef. There's nothing worth merging either, as once you remove the OR, all you're left with is a POV, unsourced list of bands. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  15:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Death metal is, by default, brutal. Chad Bowar of About.com describes death metal as, "in one word, brutal." Purcell, in her book at p. 16: "In any discussion of Death Metal, one will encounter the term "brutal"." At no point in the book is there any indication that there's a subgenre of death metal known as brutal death metal. Melodic death metal is a legitimate subgenre in contrast precisely because it discards the characteristic brutality of death metal for something more melodic. Purcell (who uses the term Swedish Death Metal instead of melodic) states as much at p. 23: "this new movement emphasizes the harmonies and melodic aspects of traditional metal, rather than the chaotic and brutal sounds of much Death Metal." Consequently, critics and fans commonly use the word brutal as an adjective to distinguish death metal bands from this more popular melodic variety. As a subgenre though, brutal death metal has as much legitimacy as say, "fast speed metal", "melodic glam metal" or, as one editor remarked in the previous AFD, "mellow easy listening". --Bardin (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:UGH. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
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