Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bucknell University Conservatives Club (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Bucknell University Conservatives Club
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College club with a single chapter. No real content, or even any good third party references that could be used to establish notability via WP:N. An earlier version was deleted in an AFD. GrapedApe (talk) 12:55, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak keep: There is an extensive article on the rise of conservative student associations from the New York Times Magazine in 2003 called The Young Hipublicans (mentioned in the WP article). Bucknell University Conservatives Club plays a significant, non-trivial role in this extended article. The activities of the club, specifically their affirmative action bake sale have attracted media attention. While the bake sales are, as Dave Weigel points out, not an original idea at Bucknell–many other conservative campus groups have done them—the reaction from the university administration led to a long-standing feud between the club and the university, into which came the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. Or so reports the Philadelphia Inquirer. FIRE have had a long back-and-forth over the relationship between Bucknell and the BUCC. There's plenty of material here for an article, and there is enough source material here to just about satisfy the demands of WP:GNG. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: Google shows ample coverage.– Lionel (talk) 08:28, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: Conservative clubs exist at nearly every Liberal Arts college in America, and this club has done little to differentiate itself from the pack. Bucknell has an Ultimate Frisbee club, which garners nearly the same amount of non-notable hits as the BUCC - in the case of BUCC, I haven't found (nor do I see in the article) anything but local mentions. Even as an alumni of Bucknell, it's a delete from me. smooth0707  (talk) 17:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is the New York Times Magazine not a pretty national mention? —Tom Morris (talk) 20:19, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * To me, the reference is trivial, and a case study. These clubs exist on every campus across America. For example, the NY Times article mentions the UC Berkeley Conservatives Club, which is probably more prominent than the Bucknell chapter. Just look at all the mentions, including CNN and LA Times in the top 10. That being said, maybe a redirect and an incorporation into the Bucknell main page is more appropriate. smooth0707  (talk) 22:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:07, 22 February 2012 (UTC)




 * Comment - If this organization has done as much and been featured so frequently as this unsourced article says it has, there should be sources aplenty out there. As it stands, the sourcing is at zero and holding after one week. Carrite (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've got no dog in this fight, here we go. While ACCURACY IN ACADEMIA isn't going to win points as a so-called "Reliable Source" with some people, it does indicate to me that BUCC has a high public profile, and that absolutely should count for something. Carrite (talk) 16:58, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * And who can forget the AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BAKE SALE, which was extensively covered in the media? BUCC was the entity behind that POINTy peddling of pastry. And I'm already done in terms of my own views of this — pretty clearly a KEEP here... Carrite (talk) 17:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's THE WALL STREET JOURNAL on BUCC's "Affirmative Action Bake Sale"... Carrite (talk) 17:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * CAMPUS PRESS might not count with you, but it counts with me. Note that the Affirmative Action Bake Sale was shut down, attempted to be relaunched, and then shut down by campus authorities — all to the accompaniment of waves of internet commentary. Agree or disagree with the political point attempting to be made, these are publicized and noteworthy free speech actions and as such BUCC is a "public entity" worthy of encyclopedic coverage, in my opinion. This is bigger entity than the Northwestern University Archery Club or some other such run-of-the-mill student group. And, they publish a newspaper, bonus points for notability. Carrite (talk) 17:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per sufficient coverage in third party news sources, per above and similar examples of the above on the internets, not cited. Carrite (talk) 17:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, enough third-party coverage to satisfy notability requirements for me. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC).
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