Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bucks–Bulls rivalry


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The result was   delete. NativeForeigner Talk 09:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Bucks–Bulls rivalry

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Fails WP:GNG with lack of significant coverage from multiple independent sources. This title was changed from a redirect back to an article, even though it was pretty much a copy/paste of National Basketball Association rivalries. This subsequent discussion indicates even the mention in a redirected article might not be notable. I've only found trivial mentions, coverage in non-indy NBA.com, and questionably reliable content farm coverage at SB Nation and Bleacher Report.—Bagumba (talk) 17:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC) —Bagumba (talk) 17:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:07, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Is there a pressing need for immediate deletion? A template requesting improvements and reliable sources was added on March 1, 2014. The article was then nominated for deletion on March 2, 2014. Isn't it possible to leave the article as is for a little while to see if somebody comes along and tries to improve it? If nobody does, then delete it. It seems a little unusual, at least to me, to request improvements one day and then nominate for deletion the next day, doesn't it? - Marchjuly (talk) 04:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This is not seen as a significant rivalry by anyone outside (maybe) Milwaukee. Rikster2 (talk) 17:14, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Don't think nearly enough has occurred for this article to ever be anything beyond WP:PERMASTUB. Think it's much better suited to section on NBA Rivalry page. mikeman67 (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - there does not appear to be enough coverage on this rivalry to make a standalone article necessary.  Gong   show  21:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per text "According to Bleacher Report, this is one of the seven weakest rivalries ever in the NBA." That explains it all. Secret account 16:32, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete but weak - Seems like most rivalries would be hard to source because they are so dependent on subjective points of view and, therefore, probably not capable of being sufficiently and reliably sourced for stand-alone status. Maybe this could be kept as a stub or merged into a larger article, but I don't feel there is enough currently there for it to stand on it's own. See talk for more.- Marchjuly (talk) 02:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I also responded to your similar question earlier at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Bucks–Bulls rivalry. The issue is whether this topic is notable. Your question, though well intentioned, is an argument for WP:MERCY, but unfortunately doesn't establish the subject's notability.  Even if consensus ends up being to delete, the article can still be to WP:USERFY, and there is no prejudice against re-creation if notability is later established.  In the meantime, sources that establish GNG are needed.—Bagumba (talk) 04:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. I added more info to talk. Sorry if I posted the same question here by mistake. I wasn't sure if I needed to make it "official" by posting here too. Still learning how things work.- Marchjuly (talk) 04:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I added 4 more new sources to the page today, from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, ESPN, and USA Today. They are all from reliable sources, and they all use the term "rivalry" to refer to this series. Ejgreen77 (talk) 05:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the research. Unfortunately, the term "rivalry" is often liberally used in the media for any two teams in the same division.  The ESPN source is speculative: "Rose vs. Jennings could be a memorable pairing for the next 10 years; the two lightning-quick scoring point guards will make this Central Division rivalry a little sexier to a national audience." The Journal Sentinel 2012 source says ""I don't even know if it's a rivalry when you get dominated like that." The 2013 source is WP:ROUTINE game coverage with trivial use of "rival", and the USA Today source is also a trivial mention of "division rival Chicago Bulls"  What is missing is WP:INDEPTH coverage that describes the rivalry in a historical context, not merely incorporating the word "rival".—Bagumba (talk) 07:44, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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