Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddleja 'Ingeborg'


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 01:01, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Buddleja 'Ingeborg'

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PROD declined due to declined PROD from 2012. Consensus has been established via discussion at WP:PLANTS and previous AfDs/PRODs that individual cultivars are not presumed notable in the same way as natural species, and must meet GNG to have a standalone article. Database and commercial catalog entries are not considered sufficient for this purpose.

The Hatch book is a comprehensive work that attempts to compile and list all cultivars. Snippet view shows that it generally spends about a sentence or two on them at most so I consider it database-equivalent as it is not selective. I found no independent significant coverage of this cultivar (searches in Stuart & Trees & Shrubs both negative).

At the time of the 2012 de-PROD, article creator even stated "Many cultivars are of obscure origin, and poorly referenced in literature." - in other words, even the creator knew there was no sourcing. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Previously nominated via WP:PROD, ineligible for soft deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  04:55, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Biology-related deletion discussions. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organisms-related deletion discussions. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete as with the dozens of other cultivars. Liz Read! Talk! 06:10, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Buddleja globosa the parent species. No evidence of independent notability. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 08:01, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * My concern about redirecting vs deleting is that since the cultivars are non-notable, they shouldn't be mentioned at the species article, and it's generally frowned on to have redirects that aren't mentioned in the target article. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 10:32, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually a note to the closer since I made the above comment in an apparent brain-fart state - RD to B. globosa would be totally incorrect for this one as it's a hybrid of B. fallowiana and B. davidii. Closing as redirect to either would be technically not feasible as it can't be redirected to two places, and there's no metric for determining which species would be more "primary" to redirect to. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:18, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to parent species, there's no call for separate articles on every cultivar, even those (unlike this one) that are reliably sourced. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:53, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, a redirect seems unnecessary since a search for the specific cultivar would give the target article anyway. AryKun (talk) 04:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Buddleja globosa for same reasons as at Articles for deletion/Buddleja globosa 'HCM98017' and Articles for deletion/Buddleja globosa 'Lemon Ball'. Caleb Stanford (talk) 05:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The consensus at the WT:PLANTS discussion was not to merge, that is an inaccurate reading. I hope that the closer reads that discussion to confirm that. There are literally hundreds of named Buddleja cultivars per species including hybrids, so merging any of these articles to the parent would be lending totally undue importance to potentially a ton of content about non-notable topics. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Change vote to delete based on discussion at Articles for deletion/Buddleja globosa 'HCM98017' Caleb Stanford (talk) 03:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.