Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bugi language (Papuan)


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The result was redirect to Bugi (disambiguation). King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Bugi language (Papuan)

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I can't find any evidence that either language is known as "Bugi language." None of the sources at Nambo language or Agob language lists "Bugi" as an alternative name and my own search didn't turn up much. Unless there's something I'm missing, this should be deleted as misleading or incorrect. If they are valid alternative names, they need to be sourced at their respective articles (otherwise it's a violation of WP:DABMENTION), and then there's a pretty complicated web to unweave here. As it stands, this is an WP:INCOMPDAB and there isn't a Bugi (disambiguation) to merge this into. Bugi is a polish village, and all other hits I found are actually related to Bugis or Bugis (disambiguation). -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Bugi is an Agob village, like Dabu (another alt name). Chalmers e.g. wrote A Vocabulary of the Bugi Language, British New Guinea, J.A.I. Vol. 33, 1903, and there are other mentions, e.g. the report of a Cambridge expedition that speaks of "the Bangu, Dungerwab, Bugi, Dabu, and Kunini vocabularies". Then Kloss & McConnell in Composition Linguistique Des Nations Du Monde (p. 384) give Bugi as an alt name of Nambu. — kwami (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Create Bugi (disambiguation) to mop up Bugi (script), Bugi language, Bugi language (Pahoturi), the links here at Bugi language (Papuan), etc. With a "see also" link to Bugis (disambiguation). Then redirect this title to that dab page. Pam  D  09:54, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ... and not forgetting Saint Bugi, son of Gwynllyw. Pam  D  10:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Source for the saint: http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id21.html Pam  D  10:09, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * And http://www.archive.org/stream/livesofbritishsa01bariuoft#page/382/mode/2up ... I think I feel a stub coming on when I get home from where I need to go out to right now! Wikipedia, the infinite jigsaw puzzle/time-sink. Pam  D  10:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, Bugi (disambiguation) now exists. Redirect this page to that dab page. And I'll have a go at the saint! Pam  D  14:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * And Saint Bugi now has an article. Pam  D  16:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I second User:PamD's proposal to redirect to the new dab page. On a side note, although I agree in large part with the reasoning in the nomination, I don't think I see the relevance of WP:DABMENTION. Doesn't it only apply to items that appear within the target article (as subtopics or related items), rather that ones synonymous with the target, as in this case? Uanfala (talk) 14:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If a term is synonymous with another one, there should be evidence for that synonym. Disambiguations don't use references, so the synonym should be cited in the article so we know there's evidence for it. "Bugi" isn't mentioned at either of those articles, so it shouldn't be mentioned in this disambiguation unless we can verify that, yes, "Bugi language" is another name for "Agob language" (which, from Kwamikagami's source, it seems to be a name for a village, not the language itself, but that's just my interpretation of it.) I see where your coming from, but I interpret topic as including synonyms, because the logic is the same. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Evidence of the alternative name should be contained in the target page – I agree with that! But the rationale behind dabmention is helping readers, right? The relevant sentence is "If the title is not mentioned on the other article, that article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page, since linking to it would not help readers find information about the sought topic." If the target article has the same scope as the dab entry then readers definitely will find information on their topic. Anyway, it's not rare for a name of a settlement to be used as the name of the language of its inhabitants. That's the "Bugi language" of Chalmer's article that kwami cited. Uanfala (talk) 21:38, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


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