Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulgaria–Mexico relations


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The result was Keep. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 19:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Bulgaria–Mexico relations

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fails WP:GNG. Relations are minimal at best. Just 3 state visits in 80 years of relations. Most relations are in the context of Mexico-EU relations which is notable. Level of trade is miniscule representing 0.000000009% of Mexico total trade. In other words if Bulgaria stopped trading, no one would notice. LibStar (talk) 04:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep This is very much becoming personal. What is your issue? That's any country's relationship is insignificant? That relations are only based on trade or trade blocks? Which Deletion policy will you be invoking this time? Aquintero (talk) 10:36, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:ADHOM is not a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 09:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Is there anything else about actual bilateral relations? Military cooperation, significant migration? LibStar (talk) 10:00, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Nom fails to cite any reason (policy) as to why article should be deleted. "I don't think these countries' relationship should be considered important" is not a reason. —Мандичка YO 😜 09:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * my reason is that it fails WP:GNG as stated first up. You've failed to give any reason why notability is met. LibStar (talk) 09:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Aquintero that this appears to be a bad faith nom. The idea that these two countries' economic, diplomatic and cultural relations over 80+ years does not meet GNG is ludicrous. Did you even look for sources? Говорите ли български?  —Мандичка YO 😜 10:24, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * accusing someone of bad faith is an WP:ADHOM. having some relations is not the same as notable relations. What economic and cultural relations? Trade that represents 0.000000009% of Mexico's total trade. Does not look like much economic relations. LibStar (talk) 10:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails GNG; subject isn't notable. What I don't understand is why not simply revert Aquintero82's edit and return this to a redirect, then discuss? I guess if Aquintero82 wants to write worthless articles like these we have no choice but to delete and perhaps impart a lesson. It's worth pointing out there is no valid policy-based argument to keep this article. Perhaps no one is aware AfD is not a vote. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 19:49, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you User:Chris troutman for your immature remarks. If citing Afd, you, maybe you should use your words more carefully. The article is a work in progress and and will always evolve. You must also be aware of Deletion is not cleanup? Aquintero82, (talk), 21:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The link is WP:!VOTE. Please read it. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 06:53, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * this article doesn't need clean up because relations between countries is very limited. Instead of trying to demonstrate notable relations, I get WP:ADHOM attacks.  If that's the best then it says a lot for notability.  LibStar (talk) 08:50, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - Both of these are large and populous nations with a studied foreign policy and history of bilateral relations. The nominator has made, just guessing, probably over 100 challenges of X-Y Relations articles over the years. Community consensus has been that extremely small island nations' relations with all but their closest allies have been deleted, while bilateral relations of significantly sized nations have been kept. While the population of Bulgaria is not enormous at just north of 7 million, Mexico ranks among the most populous nations at 122 million people. Even the nominator acknowledges that these countries have conducted multiple state visits between each other, each of which was covered in the press. Let's stick with the rational consensus that we have followed that the bilateral relations of large countries are kept. Carrite (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * you have failed to address how WP:GNG is met and try to incorrectly argue inherent notability that mexico Bilateral relations get a free pass for notability. LibStar (talk) 22:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

rational consensus that we have followed that the bilateral relations of large countries are kept is an invented criterion that is pure subjective. In this case you've decided to give Bulgaria arbitrarily "large" country status purely to invent notability when in fact many cities of the world are larger in population than Bulgaria. Using this reasoning any country with a larger population than Bulgaria gets an automatic bilateral article with mexico. Therefore mexico-Nepal, mexico-somalia must be article. It's not a rational consensus but an irrational illusionary consensus. LibStar (talk) 16:12, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. As usual, LibStar fails to see bilateral relations in a broader historical and social context. Here it is important take into consideration the close (albeit complex) relationship between Mexico and the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War. See for example "They stressed the fruitful Bulgaro-Mexican cooperation, especially in the field of disarmament, and stressed the hope that it will be raised to a higher level. The talks gave a high assessment to the consistent foreign policy of Mexico directed..." (https://books.google.com/books?id=JwoUAQAAMAAJ p. 57), "el gobernador Rubén Flgueroa Flgueroa, para que Inaugurara 1,762 obras de beneficio colectivo en las que se Invirtieron 1,394 millones de pesos, al tiempo que se le dio a conocer un ambicioso programa agroindustrial Búlgaro-Mexicano.." (https://books.google.com/books?id=b4UwAAAAYAAJ ), "Estoy profundamente convencido, señor Presidente, de que las conversaciones que sostendremos aquí con usted contribuirán a darle una dirección todavía más fructífera al desarrollo de la amistad búlgaro-mexicana y mexicano-búlgara y a" (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&hl=sv&id=l-4RAQAAIAAJ), "El Vicepresidente búlgaro, Peter Tanchev, recibió el 26 de mayo a los senadores mexicanos Héctor Vázquez Paredes y Andrés Valdivia Aguilera, con quienes trató puntos tendientes a ampliar la colaboración búlgaro-mexicana." (https://books.google.com/books?id=vfMOAAAAYAAJ), "y de la cooperación búlgaro-mexicana interesarán a ambos pueblos y contribuirán asimismo a los esfuerzos en pro de la paz en el mundo." En seguida, el mandatario visitante presentó su comitiva oficial al Lie López Portillo y a su esposa." (https://books.google.com/books?id=xaEwAAAAYAAJ), "Dicha visita fue correspondida por el señor Teodor Yivkov a nuestro país en abril de 1979, estableciéndose asi vínculos de cooperación científica, técnica, educativa, que empiezan a rendir frutos en la cooperación búlgaro-mexicana." (https://books.google.com/books?id=gNKHAAAAIAAJ) "Comisión Intergubernamental Mixta Búlgaro-Mexicana para la Colaboración Económica y Comercial La Segunda Reunión de esta Comisión se celebró en la Ciudad de México del 19 al 20 de marzo de 1979, de acuerdo con lo estipulado" (https://books.google.com/books?id=sNBJAQAAIAAJ), "Ambos funcionarios hablaron también de la próxima reunión de la Comisión Mixta de comercio búlgaro-mexicana y se consideró que al mismo tiempo que se realice esa sesión en Jul próximo, se podrían celebrar algunos acuerdos" (https://books.google.com/books?id=q84bAQAAIAAJ) See also https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&hl=en&id=JeAWAQAAMAAJ . There was also Bulgarian migration to Mexico (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&hl=sv&id=AoEhAAAAMAAJ p. 29), many Bulgarian-Americans arrived to the US via Mexico (https://books.google.com/books?id=VNCX6UsdZYkC&pg=PA39). See also https://books.google.com/books?id=vR3jAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA240 --Soman (talk) 11:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * thank you for making a genuine effort. This is much better than Carrite's lame effort. LibStar (talk) 12:42, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


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