Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulgaria women's national under-23 volleyball team


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Limited discussion, but those who contributed felt that no actual reason for deletion was suggested.  Sandstein  22:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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Precedents under ages volleyball national were deleted by consensus, just like Turkey women's national under-18 volleyball team, Peru women's youth volleyball team, Iran men's national under-19 volleyball team, Iran men's national under-21 volleyball team and Thailand women's national under-20 volleyball team. Our WikiProject tried a new discussion about this, but no new consensus were reached. Osplace 03:47, 13 November 2016 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages per above:

They are all under age volleyball articles. --Osplace 04:11, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Osplace 04:20, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the WikiProject Volleyball: Under age national teams deletion discussion. --Osplace 04:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep all - If the VB Group was not able to come to a consensus in the discussion you are citing, I'm confused as to why you think it's ok to delete these articles en masse. Taken on a case-by-case basis for notability guidelines such as WP:GNG and conducting a thorough search that includes country and language context, this proposed mass deletion seems rather pointless IMO. Zero of the articles you are referencing as some kind of precedent are red links. Care to clarify? Hmlarson (talk) 02:42, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The previous under age articles were deleted, our consensus was delete. After new articles emerged I proposed to review the previous consensus that were no under age articles at all. No consensus were reached in the last discussion because of lack of contributing editors. Since there were no change in the previous policy, that is why I am proposing a mass deletion. I am recalling the previous deletions: Turkey women's national under-18 volleyball team, Peru women's youth volleyball team, Iran men's national under-19 volleyball team, Iran men's national under-21 volleyball team and Thailand women's national under-20 volleyball team. --Osplace 16:36, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:26, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Many of these teams (if not all) would pass WP:SPORTCRIT, WP:GNG, or WP:BASIC regardless of any "precedent" you are citing without any notability guideline provided. See also WP:ALLORNOTHING. Hmlarson (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:ALLORNOTHING do not apply here, now I know that you have not read the previous deletion discussions, you think that they are just listed and that is all. How do we know if consensus have changed? I have try to find out by opening a new discussion and no new consensus were reached in the WikiProject that suppose to get involve the editors involved with the matter. --Osplace 19:35, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep all (provisionally at least). No arguments have been provided in this nomination, other than that previous discussions were closed as delete. Despite claims to the contrary, this is precisely WP:ALLORNOTHING (We've deleted other articles in Category:Wikipedia articles about X, so this needs to go too.) and is therefore not nearly enough to delete dozens of articles. Nevertheless, at first I thought the original discussions probably had some more elaborate arguments for deletion, but sadly these are not any better ("this is the only existing under age national team article and template", "similar articles have been deleted so far", "we don't have such articles, others have been deleted", "Wikiproject Volleyball do not back the creation of under age national teams articles" - all completely invalid arguments). Perhaps the only "line of attack" against these articles is WP:GNG, assessed on an individual basis. I'm definitely not claiming here that any or all of these meet WP:GNG, and that's why my "keep" is provisional (i.e. on an individual basis and given proper arguments, I might say otherwise). GregorB (talk) 11:51, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It is really sad not. I do not know why a WikiProject would ever exist then. This is not WP:ALLORNOTHING. Is a consensus about the editors under WikiProject Volleyball that decided not having under age teams or players (with strong exceptions). They do not meet WP:GNG also. I have not hear before anything like provisionally keep, you feel dubious yourself about this. --Osplace 12:48, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * While Wikiprojects may establish project-wide standards and conventions, deletion criteria are not within their purview, at least not in the negative sense: i.e. projects may say such-and-such is presumed notable per convention, but I don't think projects can establish presumptions of non-notability. GregorB (talk) 14:05, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.