Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bunscoil an Iúir


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 01:00, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Bunscoil an Iúir

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NN primary school. We don't generally retain stand-alone articles for such schools, absent unusual non-local RS coverage not present here. Tagged for notability for over a year. Epeefleche (talk) 01:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nom. Google returns numerous local/listing mentions but nothing of substance. House of Lords reference in the article is a passing mention and does nothing to establish notability. Redirect to "Education" section of Newry article. Philg88 ♦talk 06:23, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete: as per Epeefleche's arguments; clear non-notability. Quis separabit?  20:44, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect - I think there probably is a tincture of notability in the use of Gaelige as the learning/teaching medium. But it might be best incorporated in the Newry section which is currently just a list. Atlas-maker (talk) 11:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: I have added a short para and ref which should probably be copied to Newry if the result is delete.Atlas-maker (talk) 11:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Even to me, and I have a broad appetite for inclusion of information in articles that are in fact notable, that factoid ("part of a research project" -- not an act of the school itself) seems somewhat trivial, and therefore not worthy of inclusion (in either article). Epeefleche (talk) 19:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * So the teaching in the school is not an act of the school itself? Really? Atlas-maker (talk) 20:02, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The article appear to be about the study, and the study in turn appears to be about a proposition that is not limited to the school. IMHO.Epeefleche (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would agree that its not solely about the school. But the school is a significant part of it. It is a report by a government agency, and names the school in the article title. Thats pretty significant, I would have thought. Atlas-maker (talk) 08:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I wonder whether it is something that is more appropriate as a mention (though not an article) in Irish language in Northern Ireland and/or Status of the Irish language. --Epeefleche (talk) 21:29, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. The study seems to have been about bilinguality in general, not the Irish language specifically. So it could just as easily apply a scots gaelic or welsh language school, or probably to one of the many French or German schools outside France/Germany. Or Belgian schools (where the teach in flemish/english or french/english depending on where the school is located. Atlas-maker (talk) 10:42, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

What is apparently OK with the likes of Elmgrove Primary School that is not also OK with Bunscoil an Iúir? Why have I a feeling that it is the Gaelic language that is the problem for some people? Lets have one rule for all schools...delete them all, keep them all, or merged them to an appropriate locality article. The school is notable in that it was the first Gaelic medium cross-community primary school set up in Ireland. It waited 11 years before the Government of Northern Ireland afforded it Grant Aid. Its long struggle for recognition has been the subject of numerous articles in the regional and local press and TV and radio. Eog1916 (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. It sounds quite ordinary.--PatrickGuinness (talk) 21:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't delete Why pick on this school? We have numerous other Primary schools listed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_primary_schools_in_Northern_Ireland.
 * Hi Eog. As to your feeling that Gaelic primary schools are being focused on especially, a look at the primary school AfDs shows that not to be the case. As to your pointing to the fact that there are other Gaelic primary school articles, that only suggests to me that there will be more such AfDs.  There is a common outcome, as alluded to above.  See wp:outcomes; it is only an essay, but it is one that seems to have significant buy-in by the community that !votes at AfDs, at least as to the fact that primary and elementary schools should not have stand-alone articles, unless there is a clear sourced claim to notability.  The results at AfDs seem to be overwhelmingly that primary schools with run-of-the-mill coverage that all such schools would receive are not kept at AfD -- look yourself, at the AfDs I linked to above. Look even at the current ongoing such AfDs other than this one; 21 of the 22 !votes at the primary and elementary school AfDs are something other than keep.  BTW, the leaning is the opposite with high schools and above--they are generally kept.  Best. Epeefleche (talk) 22:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * While Epeefleche and I disagree on the notability or otherwise of this particular school, I have to say that I support his point on outcomes 100%. Generally, primaries anywhere in the U.K., or Ireland for that matter, are non-notable. And only if there is significant coverage in mainstream references should that change on an individual basis. The one thing that makes this school slightly notable is its bilingually. But it needs more coverage of this to pass the threshold. WRT the list of primaries, only 1 school amongst the "A"'s has its own article. All the others are redirects to their locality article. Many as a result of AfDs I assume. And the one that has its own article already has a merge-school template at the top indicating that it is a prime candidate for a merge/delete. No one is picking on this school. Atlas-maker (talk) 14:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Adding to what Atlas said, I took a look at the list. Atlas is correct about the "A's."  The rest of the list does reflect a surprisingly (to me) high number of non-notable primary schools.  Prompted by Eog's comment, I've reviewed a few, and sent three to AfD at this point, but review of others for notability would be appropriate (as, I believe, with all primary schools). Epeefleche (talk) 21:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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