Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bure Family Wines


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The result was   keep. Cirt (talk) 12:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Bure Family Wines

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Winery. The only real assertion of notability is that it belongs to Valeri Bure. Of the three references, one is the winery's website, another is a directory of California wineries, and the third one is a newspaper clipping explaining that Bure has found a hobby, which this winery is. Delete, but I'm open to a merge/redirect.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 01:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The winery is a business, not a hobby. The newspaper article is from Minneapolis and the winery is in California, and non-local coverage is a strong indicator of notability. Other references to the couple and their winery can be found here. -- Eastmain (talk) 02:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with the fact the coverage is non-local is that Valeri or Pavel Bure are household names wherever hockey has a moderate to strong following, and I would be curious to see whether either one of the Bures has played against the Minnesota Wild was in town on the same night day the article appeared. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 02:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 03:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Maybe merge. No original research needed. Independent coverage. Significance of subject is demonstrated as Winery is the main topic of the articles. Significance of owners is also well-established. Sources are reliable news orgs - do lifestyle articles count as notable articles or must it be hard news? Some info which appears self-serving bias is simple nutritional info - winery homepage should be acceptable for this type of info. How many editors/changes needed to support notability claim?   -- Ma6ic 02:38, 12 November 2009
 * And that's the point. The owners are unquestionably notable, but not as winemakers. The real question is, would the winery ever have had any of the coverage it got if the owner had been an ordinary Joe with no previous claim to fame? By the way, the article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune appeared in the Sports section and was written by their Minnesota Wild columnist, Michael Russo. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 04:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep per Eastmain. There's enough external references there. Doc Quintana (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Note also Remick Ridge winery article.  Collect (talk) 02:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
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