Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burke Ramsey


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The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 09:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Burke Ramsey

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I speedy deleted this as a7, a minor figure in the case, but perhaps I was too hasty. I still don not think it appropriate for a separate article.  DGG ( talk ) 05:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Thanks for your speedy reply, DGG ( talk ). I think that Burke Ramsey is worthy of inclusion because he was one of only four immediate family members involved in this case and theories about which of the three killed JonBenet abound to this day. He has been mentioned in dozens of books (too many to list on his page) and every major news source in the world. Actually, it is hard to find articles on JonBenet where he is not mentioned. With his parents both having articles, I don't see why Burke should be any different in that he is a separate person with theories involving him acting alone or in conjunction with his parents. The media was saturated with every aspect of the family's lives, including Burke, and to this day he appears in the media. I think it's worthy of a separate article because he has gone on to do other things that wouldn't be pertinent in the Murder of JonBenet Ramsey article (going to college, adult work career, dating, etc.). --Kbabej (talk) 05:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Or potentially redirect to Murder of JonBenet Ramsey if we really must.  I can't see how this isn't exactly the situation envisioned by WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME.  Going to college, having a career, and dating do not establish notability.  The only element of the subject's life that has attracted coverage sufficient for Wikipedia's notability guidelines is his status as a family member of a murder victim (and the requisite subject of theories that he might be involved).  The crime notability policy I linked states clearly: "Note: A living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless and until this is decided by a court of law. Editors must give serious consideration to not creating an article on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured."  And here, we're dealing with a subject that was never indicted or arrested or anything other than having been the topic of speculation.  That's not good enough for BLP. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 13:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Just a member of the family.  red dog six  (talk) 14:21, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree completely with SO. Also, like reddogsix implies, notability is not inherited. Classic WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME. And finally: first, do no harm. --Randykitty (talk) 15:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete A regular person living their life these days, their only notability is being the brother of a murder victim and they refuse to take it. Definitely BLP1E concerns, and I really hate any page that has to Facebook stalk (here using someone else's article, but still, hate it) in order to find out what happened in their life currently. As usual with those who really don't want an article for events that happened to them, no redirect.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 16:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per all of the above. Classic WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME indeed; I'm less than sure the articles on his parents shouldn't be merged into the main article as well. Sideways713 (talk) 18:07, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. (I've already voted above). Good points, everyone. I am wondering, then, why JonBent's parents both have articles? How are they different from Burke? Her father wrote a book, but it was about the murder and the aftermath. And her mother has done nothing notable other than being involved with the murder. Kbabej (talk)--18:20, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, to begin with; AFD strives to evaluate each article more or less on its own merits. Aside from that, Patsy's Miss West Virginia title is at least a second even contributing to her notability (if probably insufficient on its own).  She is also not subject to the stricter sourcing expectations of biographies of living persons, having died in 2006.  I'm less certain that John's political campaign is adequate; I'm not motivated to redirect or nominate for deletion, but I don't think I'd argue for retention. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Rumors, conspiracy theories, and gossip don't count toward establishing notability. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no reason that all the important things on this person can not be covered in an article on his sister.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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