Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burning on Fort Itaipu Sentinels


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:45, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Burning on Fort Itaipu Sentinels

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No independent and reliable sources provide any serious or in-depth coverage of this obscure Brazilian UFO conspiracy tale. The claims made in the article text don't stand up to WP:REDFLAG, and the bizarre quotation ("alarmated"?) attributed to an unnamed Air Force official is frankly absurd. Finally, the title of the article seems to be a non-English speaker's failed attempt at English grammar. LuckyLouie (talk) 19:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article is largely a translation of the Portuguese article that appears to me to have the same low sourcing standard. Not sure if the Portuguese Wikipedia has similar sourcing standards to ours, but, if so, they should be alerted somehow. jps (talk) 12:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:23, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:24, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Cannot find any reliable sources for this. I have read quite a few UFO books and I have never heard of this incident. Apart from being non-notable the article probably also contains errors due to unreliable sources and dodgy translation. Goblin Face (talk) 19:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Please, consider taking a look at WP:IDONTKNOWIT. Victão Lopes  Fala! 20:12, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename, at least half of those sources are fine. I added a new, working link to the official embassy document about the incident. The quotation is from a work by a notable and respected USMC official and ufologist, as showed at the source. And I just found a third, independent one via a quick Google search. Regarding the title and the grammatical errors, those can easily be fixed, that's no argument for deletion. Victão Lopes  Fala! 20:12, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You're claiming a certain level of independence for your sources, but I'm not seeing it. Are there any non-believers who have covered this incident? I cannot seem to find such sources. jps (talk) 12:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I will admit that I have difficulty evaluating these types of articles that are built only upon what some people have alleged has happened. To me, the question here is not "Does the sourcing supports the topic as a notable incident?" but rather "Does the sourcing supports this topic as a notable allegation?" If taken on good faith, the only independent, reliable source that I can find is an undated primary source document out of the Brazilian Embassy that seems to indicate all information about this alleged incident comes from a report by "Dr. Olivio Fontes". For this to be a notable allegation, there would need to be coverage of the allegation in multiple sources that are independent and reliable. There are a few GBook hits for "Itaipu" + "UFO" that are likely reliable sources for the fact that Fontes made some allegations, but given the nature of those books I questions whether they are "independent" of the subject matter. They are certainly not reliable for presenting the details of those allegations as fact. Location (talk) 19:19, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.