Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burrs Mill Lake


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The result was delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:40, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Burrs Mill Lake

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A rather non-notable lake with no independent reliable sources, at least that I could find. Actually I could not locate that this lake even exists, at least on Google Maps. I tried looking along Burrs Mills Road and Route 70 in both Southampton and Pemberton. There is a Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir which is a pretty good size but even that does not have many reliable sources to include. Tinton5 (talk) 02:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Try also:
 * --Doncram (talk) 06:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * --Doncram (talk) 06:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete. Google hits for this only point to Wikipedia. Hoax, or bad name. Unreferenced. Two sentences sub-stub. Zero value. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

*Rename to Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir (as Doncram boldly did) and then Keep the renamed article. It is not called Burrs Mill Lake, no such lake exists. However the Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir actually does exist. But the Burrs Mill Brook article claims that they are separate lakes. This appears to be factually incorrect, Burrs Mill Lake does not exist and the Burrs Mill Brook article is mistaken. It appears to be an honest mistake, from someone who does not know the correct name is Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir. I support Doncram’s move to change it to the correct name. According to WP:NGEO, named lakes and reservoirs are notable if sources can be found to document them, which is true in the case of Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir, Alansohn found Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir listed in GNIS for instance and Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir is also on Google Maps. Here is an actual BOOK that mentions Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir: The National Gazetteer of the United States of America: New Jersey 1983, by the U.S. Geological Survey and United States Board on Geographic Names, page N-126. Piotr and Alansohn’s deletes vote do not (at this time) reflect the WP:BOLD move that Doncram below has made, which fixed the naming issue but complicated this AfD discussion a bit. Both of those votes are on Burrs Mill Lake, the old name, rather than Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir, which Doncram moved it to. Yetisyny (talk) 23:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir is listed as GNIS ID 884193 (see here), but GNIS lists no Burrs Mill Lake. I'm not sure that the reservoir merits its own article, but it's clear that the lake does not. Alansohn (talk) 17:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. I wp:BOLDly moved the article to Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir.  It is usually not good to make moves of an article under AFD discussion, but this seemed silly to me...  there is sentiment towards acknowledging that the properly named reservoir exists and is notable, while if it is mis-named the topic is asserted to be non-notable.  Whatever.  Please discuss the notability of Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir.  It seems to be a geographical feature, therefore it is notable. --Doncram (talk) 06:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 15:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment, the rename is a step forward, but the article that remains for the reservoir has no sources and no indication for why it should have an article. I'd be glad to reconsider my vote once appropriate reliable and verifiable sourcing has been added to demonstrate a measure of notability above and beyond its existence on a database. Alansohn (talk) 16:39, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Even properly named as Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir, I see no indication it is notable. I disagree with the above synopsis of WP:NGEO. NGEO says features CAN be notable IF "enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article..." "beyond statistics and coordinates." I haven't found anything beyond routine directory type listings. The best is this one which only adds that it is 3.5 miles from somewhere else and doesn't even know what species of fish can be caught there. Just not enough to support an article. MB 00:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per MB and Alansohn. It seems I did not understand WP:NGEO correctly, apparently more verifiable content besides just basic statistics and coordinates is needed as MB explained above. Due to my mistake I crossed out the obviously mistaken portions of my earlier Keep vote, please disregard the portions I crossed out. Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir does indeed exist while Burrs Mill Lake does not, and Doncram did the right thing by renaming it to the right name, but existing is not enough to make it notable. At least it got renamed to the correct name so we could debate whether or not Burrs Mill Brook Reservoir is notable or not. It seems it is not in fact notable. I looked into WP:NGEO again, reading the text carefully, as well as taking what MB said about its meaning into account, and it became immediately apparent to me that MB was right and I had been wrong. Thus I have crossed out my earlier vote and am in total agreement with MB. I thank MB for educating me on this matter with such a good explanation of what that policy means and how it applies in this case. Yetisyny (talk) 04:12, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


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