Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bushra al-Tawil


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was procedural close‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. AfD opened by non-EC editor, which means that they do not have standing to propose the deletion of an article covered by WP:ARBPIA. This close is without prejudice to renomination by extended-confirmed editors in good standing. signed,Rosguill talk 17:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Bushra al-Tawil

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I'm nominating this page for deletion as a breach of Wikipedia's policy on WP:BLP violating WP:V and WP:PARTISAN. Two sources come from [| Samidoun] which is not suitable for Wikipedia, another source comes from Addameer also clearly a partisan source. The lack of reliable sources on this topic causes this article to have little to no pertinent information, instead being a list of events. Given that this is a biography of a living person with close to no reliable sources available, it should be removed. Dazzling4 (talk) 16:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women, Journalism,  and Palestine.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  18:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: Sources aside, nothing in the article satisfies WP:N. Just because something is related in some way to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict does not make it notable for inclusion - Wikipedia already gives too much unwarranted much attention this topic.
 * Xiaoreo (talk) 01:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * New, non-extended-confirmed user whose second (and outside of their user page, only) edit is to comment on this AfD. Comment should be struck per WP:ARBECR. Jfire (talk) 04:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Note to admin: Should this AfD even proceed given that the topic clearly falls under the ARBPIA CT area and the nom is not extended confirmed? Please can the relevant page notices be added. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep article needs more sources which an Arabic speaking Wikipedian can help find, not a rushed deletion.--QazyQazyQazaqstan (talk) 22:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Those sources need to show that this article warrants inclusion by Wikipedia's policy on notability WP:N. Wikipedia generally considers individuals notable if they have received significant coverage in reliable, independent, and verifiable sources (it is clear that, at least in English, this article lacks WP:SIGCOV), but notability can also be established if the person has made significant contributions to a specific field, has received notable awards or honors, or has played a significant role in a notable event or movement. If Bushra al-Tawil has achieved recognition or prominence in her field or through her work, and this recognition has been documented in reliable sources, she may be considered notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. However, based on my searches, I could not find anything that shows notability on either account. Dazzling4 (talk) 23:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * People who only do a cursory english language search can find themselves deciding that any major person outside of the West isn't notable. Her search results in english google will not be reflective of her overall fame. Stop the rush to delete and let's wait for some arabic speakers to help find sources.--QazyQazyQazaqstan (talk) 00:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep for general WP:GNG reasons. The page hasn't been written up correctly in the lead, but the subject is notable for being placed under arbitrary administrative detention without charge for a prolonged period for nothing more than their journalism. Another source on the subject's arrest is here (and there are a variety of links from humans rights watchdogs and news links out there) - the saga with this particular individual appears to have been ongoing for quite some time, and so is clearly WP:SUSTAINED, and is a notable part of the overall tapestry of abuses against journalists in the conflict. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Consensus about Middle East Monitor on WP:RSN (1, 2, 3) trends toward "attribute" or "unreliable" so the source you linked (and the other MEMO source already in the article) likely do not help establish notability and we'd need to be careful how we use them in a BLP. (I'm undecided on this AfD at this time. It would be helpful to locate additional sources at or above the reliability level of the Al Jazeera article.) Jfire (talk) 04:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There are also mentions on Wafa, Palestine Chronicle, Dawn and Mondoweiss, and a further, more extended profile on Mondoweiss here, as part of a news round up. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Mondoweiss is not appropriate for Wikipedia. As for each of the other articles listed, the name Bushra al-Tawil is only mentioned once, in passing. "Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability," as per WP:NBASIC. Dazzling4 (talk) 13:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Why do people always selectively quote guidelines as if no one else knows them or is likely to read them? That is preceded by: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Iskandar323 (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability, but trivial coverage by multiple independent sources is not sufficient for notability, which is what I was pointing out. You were compiling a list of sources that mentioned the name, but these trivial mentions are not sufficient to establish notability Dazzling4 (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Mondoweiss is suitable, per WP:RSP, with attribution. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Mondoweiss is WP:MREL and considered heavily biased. You should be using, its attributions if they are reliable, and not Mondoweiss itself as a source for factual information. For opinions on a debate you can reference Mondoweiss's position. Dazzling4 (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dazzling4: Please note that you shouldn't even have started this internal project discussion as it's covered by WP:ARBPIA and you are not an extended confirmed user. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:12, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Al Jazaeera English is a WP:RSP. Can't see a problem there. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There is also coverage in The New Arab and a ToI mention. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete mainly for WP:N reasons and for the lack of partisan sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigHerp (talk • contribs) 07:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I assume this post means lack of "non-partisan" sources, but again, this AfD is clearly within the scope of ARBPIA and non-ECP editors should not be participating. Admin input needed. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Not only this journalist isn't significant enough to warrant an article, but the sources cited about her are also heavily biased and unreliable. It's essential to maintain the integrity and credibility of our content, and this article simply does not meet the standards we should uphold. Eladkarmel (talk) 14:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.