Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bust of Bernardo O'Higgins (Houston)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to McGovern Centennial Gardens. (as merge has been carried out already, I will be redirecting shortly. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Bust of Bernardo O'Higgins (Houston)

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From what I can tell, this does not pass WP:GNG. The citations in the article are not independent. My WP:BEFORE revealed this, but not sure if it counts.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 19:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.   Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 19:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 20:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.   Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 20:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Merge and redirect: I don't have access to article text, but a search at the Houston Chronicle archives suggests there's some coverage during the 1990s. A search for "Bernardo O'Higgins" yields 19 returns; Patricia C. Johnson published an article called "City attorney will step into sculpture dispute" on May 30, 1992. Also, there's another article called "Restored to glory: City's statuary begins to look like new again", published on August 25, 1996, and another called "Passions burn hotly for "The Liberator'", published on December 4, 1994. I am not suggesting these are all about the sculpture, but they may have some details worth incorporating. I write about public art a lot, and I've learned sometimes one cannot simply Google search for information about public artworks and monuments/memorials. Sometimes a bit more digging is required to learn about a work's funding, dedication, relocation(s), reception, etc. I'd prefer to keep this article until someone can review the Houston Chronicle archives and complete a library search for other books and resources which may have more information. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:34, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete there is simply not enough coverage. I had a good long search for coverage and found nothing other than the fact that the sculpture was donated to the city of Houston by a large Chilean corporation in 1992. The Houston Chronicle articles carry no weight here as we have no idea what their text says. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Um, you're saying we should ignore the Houston Chronicle sourcing simply because of accessibility? No, sorry, that's not how sourcing works. The Houston Chronicle is a reputable news source and coverage should be considered. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * there is no confirmed Houston Chronicle sourcing, as you can't read it. You are speculating that coverage exists in articles that you do not have access to, based on some search results. There is no indication of whether the articles returned form the search are name checks, trivial mentions or significant coverage. It's not that I am ignoring it: it's that there is nothing to ignore. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not comfortable assuming there's "nothing" when there's something. If I still lived in Houston I'd do some research at the library. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok then, what do the sources in the Houston Chronicle say?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:38, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a question for someone with access to the archives. I've posted a neutral note at WikiProject Houston asking if anyone has access: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Houston. I hope this is appropriate. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a good neutral note. I also copied and pasted it at WP:TEXAS.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 02:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:47, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Per feedback received at WikiProject Houston, I've changed my vote to merge and redirect. I do ask that a true merge to McGovern Centennial Gardens be completed when this discussion is closed. I don't want to lose any of the information we've been able to collect about this sculpture. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 21:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge and redirect to McGovern Centennial Gardens where it is already mentioned. Sourcing is quite scarce, and nothing we know about this bust's merit, presence or provenance qualifies it for an independent article.   --Lockley (talk) 23:26, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:43, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect as previously suggested, doesn't merit own article per WP:GNG. There is not much in the Houston Chronicle archives in the stories referenced by Another_Believer. I put this at the Houston page but will also add it here.
 * "RESTORED TO GLORY/City's statuary begins to look like new again" - story about Sam Houston statue. O'Higgins bust mentioned in a list of the 17 statues in worst shape among Houston's 90 statues
 * "City attorney will step into sculpture dispute" - story about cruciform sculptures that were rejected by the city. O'Higgins bust mentioned in one sentence: "the commission recommended that a gift from the government of Chile, a bronze bust of Capt. Bernardo O'Higgins, founding father of the republic, be accepted for the International Sculpture Garden located in Hermann Park."
 * "Passions burn hotly for 'The Liberator'" - story about a statue of Simon Bolivar. Passing mention of O'Higgins the person (not the Houston bust): ""The Liberator" is a household name in much of South America, though to Argentines that title belongs to Jose de San Martin and to Bernardo O'Higgins in Chile. Both were Bolivar contemporaries who led the independence struggles in those countries."
 * LizardJr8 (talk) 20:51, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks again for your help here! Much appreciated, and I've referenced your work above and was drafting my comment below before you posted. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for extending this discussion, but an editor at WikiProject Houston was able to review the sources in the Houston Chronicle archives. I'm the article creator and only keep vote above, and I'm now fine with merging and redirecting the page, if you'd like to go ahead and close. As noted above, I'd prefer a true merge to the McGovern Centennial Gardens article be completed because I don't want to lose any information about the sculpture. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:52, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I welcome final attribution, templates, discussion closure, etc, but I've gone ahead and completed the merge and shared a link to the feedback provided by User:LizardJr8 to the McGovern Centennial Gardens article's talk page for future reference. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:05, 22 September 2020 (UTC)


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