Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Butler International


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 07:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Butler International

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Does not seem to pass WP:NCORP, has no WP:RS in the article currently and a search did not yield significant results except for a sale in 2017. Cerebral726 (talk) 19:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Connecticut. Shellwood (talk) 21:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Keep - Was NYSE listed and was a prominent engineering services firm with thousands of employees. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: WP:LISTED suggests, but does not imply, notability in the sense of WP:NCORP. (That being said, I've been skeptical of WP:LISTED as of late.) Having found nothing on Google (besides primary sources) and Google News, I will conduct a search on Newspapers.com once I'm granted access, likely in a few days. Even more perplexingly I can't find any patents for this company, so I'm wondering whether there's an alternate name in use here. Ovinus (talk) 05:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Butler International became Butler America Aerospace. However, the company is just a consulting firm who provides engineering work for other companies, so there is no opportunity for them to develop something patentable.--Cerebral726 (talk) 12:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Comr Melody Idoghor  (talk)  23:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete not covered in reliable sources. The references are 2 press releases and a self published page. According to WP:LISTED,  "Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in this (or any other) case." It goes on to say the company should have independent press coverage and / or independent analyst reports. Hence, there is no inherent notability even if the company was listed on notable stock exchange.  This guideline in particular says that about inherent notability WP:ORGSIG. Also, notability is not inherited WP:INHERITORG. And, coverage of this company does not satisfy WP:ORGCRITE or GNG . ---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to have SIGCOV. Here are some, but there are more, if insufficient independence for WP:ORGIND is believed. : please check these out. Ovinus (talk) 23:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * (discusses acquisition, appears independent)
 * (also discusses acquisition, pretty good coverage, independence unclear)
 * (deep coverage, a couple quotes from company execs but not enough for me to conclude intellectual non-independence. Also note that Butler Aviation is apparently a subsidiary of Butler International, along with two others, according to the second clipping)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I agree these sources sufficiently satisfy SIGCOV and WP:ORGIND. I am striking my "Delete" comment. I am ivoting Keep based on these sources (see below). Also, good job! I'd like to learn how to do deep searches like this. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll try to clean up the article using new sources. The history of this company and its parents is a bit mucky, it seems. Butler Aviation was apparently for some time the largest private aviation company in America. Ovinus (talk) 04:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep based on the sources presented by Ovinus. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sources indicate NCORP is met MaxnaCarta (talk) 02:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.