Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buurtpoes Bledder


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 09:33, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Buurtpoes Bledder

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Article does not meet WP:Notability, because it was just temporary media coverage of August 2013. --Noebse (talk) 13:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * weak delete - I had a look through what sourcing was on the article, and it just and just doesn't quite meet WP:GNG in my eyes. There's no article on Bob the streetcat, just a redirect (and the article on the movie), which is probably the most famous cat I can think of (there are some items on Category:individual cats though, which should probably be looked through. There are articles in three other languages for this item, but I don't think it meets the English wikipedia definition of notability. There's clearly some press, but it borders on WP:1E (whilst not technically being an "event", it was WP:NOTNEWS.) I did a WP:BEFORE search, but I couldn't find much through wikidata or google, but if there were some offline sources or additional foriegn language sources I could be persuaded to change to keep. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * There is only online media coverage in Dutch. The German, Indonesian and Vietnamese articles rely on Dutch references. --Noebse (talk) 01:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It is even less known than a similiar British cat. Social media star cat Garfield killed in Sainsbury's car park accident, who had 6,300 Facebook followers whereas the Dutch cat (which was the most famous cat of Leiden) had only 700 followers when it died. "Met 700 vrienden op Facebook mocht hij zich met recht de populairste kat van Leiden noemen. Ondernemers en caféhouders reageren dan ook diep bedroefd op de dood van het beestje." --Noebse (talk) 02:22, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Well, the reason why there hasn't been much coverage over the past several years is because Buurtpoes Bledder died in 2013. Wikipedia is filled with countless articles about deceased individuals who are hardly media figures and don't receive coverage/attention in the year 2020. These individuals range from obscure judges in the US justice system to nearly forgotten authors and, yes, celebrity animals. Also: he has received coverage outside of 2013. There was a follow-up on what happened to his remains on the fifth anniversary of his death in 2018 and a segment that aired on Dutch television. I have added this information and the link to the article/segment. As such, this article should not be deleted. Constablequackers (talk) 11:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 17:22, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Chetsford (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete judges make rulings that have impact, cats do not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:30, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The Dutch article nl:Buurtpoes Bledder was speedied in July 2015 (nl:Sjabloon:Nuweg, equivalent to Template:Db). Narky Blert (talk) 14:20, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The Buurtpoes article was worthy of being included in the "Did You Know?" column on Wikipedia's mainpage in 2013 and it includes more sources than many other pages on the site. The cat's photo is currently included on the page for the city of Leiden as well along with a link. Furthermore, the individual who nominated it for deletion (Noebse) has made minimal contributions to Wikipedia over the years and popped up out of nowhere after 10 months of no edits to go after it and has done nothing since. Rather curious behavior and rather cruel if you ask me, especially since he first opted for a speedy delete. Ultimately, yes, this is a silly topic for a Wikipedia page, but Wikipedia is filled with pages for topics that are far more ridiculous. Constablequackers (talk) 09:01, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:31, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, (probably another one by coola that is off topic:)) "There's no article on Bob the streetcat, just a redirect (and the article on the movie), which is probably the most famous cat I can think of..", sorry, but isnt thinking very hard, how about Chief Mouser Larry who, amongst his achievements, stopped the US President or Trim, the first cat to circumnavigate Australia? Coolabahapple (talk) 01:45, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete even generally reliable sources like omroepwest.nl occasionally publish non-news because, well, they like to provide some light entertainment. Such topics a re not actually notable, but because we have a GNG that doesn't consider content, we now have an article on a subject that is "technically" notable, except it really isn't. Most of the sources are actually dead, broken links or Facebook. The best of the sources, omroepwest.nl is reporting that this "famous" cat even has it's own Wikipedia article. Now we have a Wikipedia article on a cat who is notable for having ... a Wikipedia article! The Dutch Wikipedans were sensible enough to delete their version of the article. We should do the same. Vexations (talk) 17:21, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject passes Notability. This page notes that (translation from Google Translate) "Bledder became known nationally after an article in De Telegraaf because he was the first cat with its own Facebook page." The page includes a photo of a lengthy newspaper article about the subject titled "Buurtpoes Bledder online" that was published in October 2012, 10 months before the subject's death. SBS6's television program nl:Hart van Nederland covered the subject's August 2013 death in this article as did Algemeen Dagblad here (metadata here), Leidsch Dagblad here, and Omroep West here. This December 2013 article notes that Leidsch Dagblad declared "Buurtpoes" the word of the year in 2013 after the subject's death. Five years after the subject's death, the subject was covered in this article in Omroep West. The article's first paragraph notes (translation from Google Translate): "Cat Bledder from Leiden has been dead for exactly five years. "Well," you would say. But that is different in Leiden. The cat made the national news before its death and has its own Wikipedia and Facebook page because half of Leiden knew the beast. Bledder has been set up and is being put down for a day in the Velvet record store on the Nieuwe Rijn so that people can stop and talk to him. Students from the house on the Hartesteeg where Bledder still lives, deliver him early Tuesday morning to record store Velvet." The article mentions that the cat made the national news before it died and mentions in passing that he has a Wikipedia page. (I do not consider this passing mention of the cat's having a Wikipedia page to detract from the article's contributing to Buurtpoes Bledder establishing notability since the rest of the article focuses on how the people of Leiden are still remembering the cat.) That the subject was covered by reliable sources before, at, and after his death demonstrates he has received sustained coverage. That this coverage was in national and regional newspapers and radio stations strongly establishes he is notable. Cunard (talk) 09:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


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