Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/By The Saints

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty 20:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

By The Saints
Non-notable webcomic. No Alexa rank, about 9 relevant unique Google hits for "By The Saints" webcomic -wikipedia  &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 22:00, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete agree with the above, non-notable. The actual comic seems to have a bit of a cult following (??) Article appears to be a bit of self-aggrandizement.  Actual art of the comic is not bad however.  ColoradoZ 22:07, July 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * It would only be self-aggrandizement if the article was written by the comic's creator, which it isn't. Lee M 17:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails all webcomics guidelines. Dcarrano 05:20, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Permit me to reiterate my justifications for inclusion as stated on the article's Talk page:
 * 1) High quality artwork, backed up by detailed historical research.
 * 2) Good script, plotting and characterisation. The author also has a good ear for dialects.
 * 3) Labour of love. This comic is obviously its creator's pet project, therefore he's certain to stick it out to the end no matter what. Lee M 17:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable webcomic. JamesBurns 07:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment When I began this article I was well aware of the fact that this particular title was borderline for inclusion. OTOH I was also mindful of the following: "These guidelines are primaily designed to prevent the multitude of new or unencyclopedic web comics from using Wikipedia as free promotion.". Well, the reason I wrote the article was that I did not consider By The Saints to be just one of the multitude. I was impressed with the quality of its art and storytelling, and in my considered opinion the author had and has a genuine commitment to telling this story. In other words, this is not some johnny-come-lately strip that's going to disappear overnight. Under the WikiProject Webcomics/Notability and inclusion guidelines BTS is just short of the 33-week rule - the 33rd weekly page not including fillers is scheduled for July 25, meaning that it's just a fortnight short. If we assume that the 100-strip rule applies to single strips, then 33 full pages should be the equivalent. Finally, despite the above suggestion of self-aggrandizement, I am certainly not the webcartoonist. I'm going to stick my neck out here and predict that BTS is going to grow in size and increase its readership and that five years from now it will easily pass every guideline for inclusion. If the article is deleted now then I would suggest that the deletion policy is in serious need of revision.Lee M 10:52, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I interpret "100 strips" as "100 individual installments". Trying to determine how many strips a page is equivalent to in terms of effort seems highly subjective. I should also point out that the "alternative guidelines" are controversial, as they were added with little discussion beforehand; there is currently discussion on that talkpage as to whether they should be kept, amended, or thrown out entirely. Furthermore, we're not in the business of predicting future notability here: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Deletion is not permanent: if the comic does become notable later, a new article may be written about it.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 18:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep In addition to what I consider outstanding artwork, this webcomic is unique for its attention to historical detail. The artist has created a detailed world and crafted an interesting storyline. The interest may be limited to period enthusiasts but there are certainly enough of them out there to merit inclusion of this webcomic in Wikipedia.ccdesan 08:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC) actually added by 
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