Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Byron Williams (fictional character)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Mars Attacks!.  MBisanz  talk 00:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Byron Williams (fictional character)

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I am nominating this for AFD because it fails the notability criteria for a stand-alone article. Also, this article uses IMDB as a source, which is unfortunately considered unreliable by Wikipedia standards. I am unable to find any secondary sources to verify the character's notability. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:13, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The article has been around for 5 years... so either it was thought notable enough by some to not be nominated until now, or it simply flew below the radar. Interestingly enough, and though not used to cite the article, sources definitely exist providing commentary and analysis of this fictional character, so the article is definitely improvable. We might redirect this for now to Mars Attacks! where it is logical for this fictional character to be listed. ANd if someone wishes to work on it out of mainspace, we can userfy a version so that available sources can be used to flesh it out before a possible return.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Mars Attacks!. There may be sources available to improve this article significantly, but currently it is just plot description and an attempt to reconstruct the fictional boxing career of this fictional character based on limited dialogue references in the film, and the sources that have been mentioned in this AfD so far don't look very promising. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 09:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. The sources to which MichaelQSchmidt refers appear to be little more than passing mentions in plot synopses as far as I can tell. This is a combination of plot rehashing and absurd WP:OR. A boxing record that includes a KO "loss" against 50 Martians in a varying number of rounds? (Either the Extraterrestrial Boxing Association or Don King must have sanctioned this "bout".) Clarityfiend (talk) 10:41, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not opine a keep of this poor article... only a cheap redirect to the one place where it makes sense to enlighten Wikipedia readers about this fictional character in context to the film in which he is presented. If or when someone ever offers a better written and better sourced article, we can re-examine it for suitability or not for inclusion. No more. No less.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Huuh? Where did I say you voted keep? P.S. Whoever wrote this steaming pile needs to learn arithmetic. The infobox gives four total fights, four wins by knockout and a no contest, while further down, it claims four bouts, three wins by knockout, no losses or draws, just above a table showing a loss. 4=5? 4=3? Must be Martian math. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Would a redirect somehow not serve the project or its readers?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 04:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails all measures --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 09:27, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect, and merge if anything is appropriate. The delete votes above are not policy-based in that they ignore WP:ATD. Jclemens (talk) 22:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What is the potential that this character will ever merit a standalone article? Zilch, unless someone conducts a groundbreaking study on boxing as a deterrent to alien invasion. There is no media coverage singling out any of the main characters, much less this minor one. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:01, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete due to lack of stand-alone notability, with no salvageable content. A search engine test does not show notoriety for this character beyond this film. Redirecting is not helpful since the present article title is not a plausible search term. I'm fine with keeping mention of the character at the Byron Williams disambiguation page. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 15:38, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - not enough real world coverage. If the article was at Byron Williams then this could have worked as a redirect, but since that's a disambiguation, I'm afraid that deletion is the only option. If there's anything that needs to be merged to Mars Attacks! then do so. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:55, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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