Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cédric Boussoughou


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus - perhaps leaning towards keep, since keep arguments align to policy better than delete ones. Wily D 10:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Cédric Boussoughou

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that he had played in the Gabonese top flight. In the absence of reliable sourcing stating that this league is fully, playing in it is insufficient to meet WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


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 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Played in 2012 Africa Cup of Nations, played at highest level in Gabon. --Nouniquenames (talk) 01:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But he never actually played any matches at the ACN, and more importantly has never played for Gabon at all, meaning he fails WP:NFOOTBALL criterion 1. And the highest level in Gabon is not fully pro, therefore failing WP:NFOOTBALL criterion 2. Mattythewhite (talk) 01:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How about abandoning the bot-like wikilawyering WikiProject Football groupthink for once and actually applying some common sense. Is it in the best interest of this encyclopedia to consider the captain of an Olympic-qualifying team as less notable than a player who has come on as a last minute substitute in one League Two match? Phil Bridger (talk) 21:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Had the article creator written more than barely two lines then maybe the article would have a greater and clearer claim to notability. I hardly see what the project gains from substubs such as this; we should be aiming for quality, not quantity. And rather than patronising !voters with phrases like "bot-like wikilawyering WikiProject Football groupthink" I think it would be more productive to discuss the article itself. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not reply to the substantive issue that I raised, rather than trying to pretend that your (and several other members' of Wikiproject Football) continual pasting of "Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL" into deletion discussions in any way contributes to a proper consideration of any article's merits? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL, Players who have represented their country in any officially sanctioned senior international competition, even though he didn't play I would say he represented his country in the Africa Cup of Nations. I also agree with Phil Bridger's point about common sense - as a captain of his team he will compete in the Olympics in a couple of months unless something extraordinary happens. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - previous consensus at two AfDs - 1, 2 - established that being a squad member at the ACN was not enough. This player fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL - non-notable. GiantSnowman 21:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. The point that I made above about wikilawyering has been amply confirmed by the "delete" opinions given here. We are supposed to follow the spirit rather than the letter of guidelines. The spirit of the various special notability guidelines in or linked from WP:BIO is that people who have verifiably reached a certain level in their field are regarded as notable. This player's level of achievement in football, having captained a national team to Olympic qualification, is way above that of players who have turned out for a match or two in Lega Pro Seconda Divisione or League Two and, on that basis, are considered notable without a squeak of objection. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete – no significant media coverage and no senior international appearance, fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. He never played in the African Cup of Nations, thus he never represented his country IMO – and Phil Bridger, let reliable sources decide whether being named in a tournament squad and not playing is a valid notability claim. Are there any sources suggesting that the player became notable by that? No? Pity. Oh, also learn to respect a different opinion than yours without accusing others of "wikilawyering". Okay? Thank you. – Kosm  1  fent  20:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, → B  music  ian  10:52, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm not convinced the article quite meets GNG, although the (short) BBC articles are nearly enough. However, if he is likely to play in the Olympics can't we just wait a few weeks? Eldumpo (talk) 20:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Currently fails the criteria for inclusion. If/When he is involved with the Olympics, it can be undeleted - but although that is likely to happen, we can't guarantee it. Until it has happened, the correct result is to delete the article  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 23:40, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


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