Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Călin Gruia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Withdrawn, and the only delete vote was clearly rendered moot by the subsequent comments. Cavarrone 09:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Călin Gruia

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No credible indication of notability has emerged. This is a blog post masquerading as a newspaper article - a newspaper, incidentally, that allegedly serves Drajna, population 5168. Not only is it self-published, its bibliography draws on three self-published sites, while the fourth item in its bibliography is this, a raw story. In other words, this first "source" is entirely unquotable. As for this, it seems slightly more promising at first glance, until we realize a) it's only a few lines long and b) the book from which it is drawn includes 33,500 capsule biographies of Romanian journalists - some of whom, to be sure, are notable, but surely not all or even a majority.

So we're back where we started: no significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources. Thus, delete. - Biruitorul Talk 14:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


 * delete very unknown writer .Even Romanian wikipgae is not detailed . If Romanian newspapers, magazines , news channels don't give him any coverage, then he is just not notable. https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C4%83lin_Gruia
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep Even a limited search of the tabbed links above shows under "books" his multiple publications (307 entries), and under "scholar" 49 references from my location though only 3 in English, none with links. A web search turns up:, , . I don't speak Romanian, thus the information is difficult to parse, but the last piece clearly shows he was one of the creators of a Radio Theater for children that switched over to TV in 1958 and has been running for over 50 years. The "referatele" link shows that critical references to his work exist in multiple sources including: Contemporanul (1955); Ibidein, Num. 21 (1958); Viata Romaneasca, Num. 2 (1960); Luceafarul, Num. 46 (1967); Cronica, Num. 34 (1977); Viata Ronianeasca, Num. 11 (1980); Contemporanul, Num. 22 (1980); Ibidem, Num. 7 (1981); Romania literara, Num. 16 (1981); Flacara, Num. 29 (1984); and  Cronica, Num. 2 (1985). None of these appear to be on line, or at least not from my location, but on-line references are not required for Wiki notability. Sufficient to establish notability. SusunW (talk) 17:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak, SusunW, weak. poezie.ro is not a quotable source: anyone can register on the site and anyone can contribute whatever they wish, with no editorial policy. As for referatele.com, let me clue you in: referat is Romanian for "book report". It's a site where slacking schoolkids go to copy essays submitted by other kids. Need I explain why such a site can be dismissed out of hand? Finally, as to this - let's call it a marginally reliable newspaper (even as its owner sits in prison), but mention of Gruia within the article is barely in passing: once in a list of names, and once in a few words noting he'd written a screenplay. I'm afraid more effort is needed if you wish to demonstrate notability. - Biruitorul Talk 19:48, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: The journals that were mentioned are all legitimate journals and do have on-line sites; however, none of them seem to have on-line archives before 2008. As I said, I do not speak Romanian, but, going back to the books.  indicates "Calin Gruia was a pseudonym for Cyril Gurduz. He studied to become teacher at the Normal School in Orhei. Prisoner of War (1944-1948) Between 1951 and 1969, was the editor of programs for children -Radiodifuziunea Romanian and wrote over 50 radio scripts."  also confirms radio work. Rumanian Review - Volume 17 - Page 73 in the snippet view shows Calin Gruia's book or books? sold in hundreds of thousands of copies though it is not on-line  from sources I can access, but it is clearly possible someone in another location would have access. Same with this source  A search of World Cat shows that his books have been published in English, German, Hungarian and Serbian, as well. Publishers do not usually translate in a foreign tongue if there is no success in the native market. The Romanian digitization project  indicates two references containing him, but again, I have no access to them.   and . He does not have to be internationally famous to merit notability. That he died in 1989 pre-internet and certainly pre-internet in eastern Europe and is still being mentioned as a creator of a children's radio show indicates some note and that his notability has not been temporary. That that creation is mentioned in multiple independent sources, though so far none has been found that discusses it in depth, also demonstrates notability. SusunW (talk) 23:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I withdraw this, although not because of the biographical ephemera turned up above, but because it turns out the subject features in the standard Romanian literary dictionary. - Biruitorul Talk 14:03, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - There's a delete !vote still so unless changes his mind than it'll have to remain open. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to ask me anything. I've read several tales by this author.
 * keep - Călin Gruia is mainly considered as an author of literature for children, though it is not necessarily the case, as for Lewis Carol, Jonathan Swift or the brothers Grimm. Moara lui Elisei.png
 * 1) Announcement of a children's play of this author on Adevărul newspaper, Romanian number one quality (non-tabloid) selling newspaper: http://adevarul.ro/locale/buzau/teatru-copii-sambata-galleria-mall-1_50ae272b7c42d5a6639a129b/index.html
 * 2) Literary magazine Observator Cultural mentions Mircea Sântimbreanu as one of the leader of writers of literature for children in Romania, amongst: "Gica Iutes, Ovidiu Zotta, Octav Pancu-Iasi, Calin Gruia, Dumitru Almas" http://www.observatorcultural.ro/Sertarele-lui-Mircea-Santimbreanu*articleID_270-articles_details.html
 * 3) Two of his books on sale at Eminescu Bookstore: http://www.librariaeminescu.ro/autor/342/Calin-Gruia
 * 4) Audio books by Romanian oldest and most important record label from the 30's until the 90s Electrecord: http://www.discogs.com/Ion-Lil%C4%83-C%C4%83lin-Gruia-Voinicul-BobDeGr%C3%AEu-Fata-P%C4%83durarului/release/6354468
 * 5) Online bookstore selling his books: http://www.librarie.net/autor/4604/calin-gruia/nia=86/niaadgr=YRHRtf?gclid=CPb064TvucUCFQjKtAodcWcACQ
 * 6) Books by this author on sale, one still for sale, three sold out: http://www.elefant.ro/carti/autori/calin-gruia-8072.html
 * 7) Didactic platform presentation of one of his tales: http://www.anidescoala.ro/divertisment/povesti/alti-autori-romani/povestea-olarului-de-calin-gruia/
 * 8) Presentation of five of his children's tales: http://e-povesti.ro/povesti/calin_gruia
 * 9) One of his books on sale on eMag: http://www.emag.ro/povesti-ciubotelele-ogarului-nuielusa-de-alun-si-alte-povesti-calin-gruia-ago978-606-8391-09-0/pd/E2VWG0BBM/
 * P.S. I added a photo of one of Gruia's books I have in my personal library. Călușaru&#39; (talk) 14:54, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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