Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C.J. Stryver


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

C.J. Stryver

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non-notable fictional character in a book.  LinguistAtLarge &bull; Msg  06:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to A Tale of Two Cities. This article is nothing but a regurgitation of the story of the book which the main article, WikiSource and Project Gutenberg cover adequately. - Mgm|(talk) 11:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

i don't think this should be deleted, as mr. stryver plays a fairly important role in the novel. the seamstress, who is mentions for the first time in very last chapter, is nameless, and has a much less significant role has her own page. how can deleting a page of a character with much greater importance than that be justified? --Itsina (talk) 11:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That article should be deleted as well, but until it is, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Powers T 14:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect as MGM correctly suggests.-- S Marshall  Talk / Cont  14:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect as above. Eusebeus (talk) 20:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The nominator neglected to mention which book, and which author. All named characters in Dickens and similarly world-famous authors of that rank are notable. Myself, I think such notability is intrinsic, but it is also the case that the critical literature on authors of that rank is so extremely great, that there is certain to be extensive critical references available, which will make it possible to discuss with good sources both his role in the novel, and the RW relationships. Tale of two cities is a political novel with a purpose, even more than the rest of  Dickens, and he did not insert characters at random just for background. I assume the usual diligent people on this topic will put in the references and the academic discussion very soon, as well as relted information on the role in the various derivative works.  DGG (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep due to improvements since nomination and per WP:JNN. Stryver may not be the main character of the novel, but he is a character who has appeared in a dozen film, television, and stage adaptations of it.  if you check what I have been doing to the article thus far, please note in particular that external link, I believe I can compliment the section on "Depiction in the novel" with one on "Depiction in film, television, and broadway" as the character has been portrayed at least ten times in those various mediums (IMDB doesn't list the broadway productions) and I am fairly confident that a scholarly reception section can be added.  Hey, as frustrated as I may be seeing these Baum characters nominated for deletion, I actually see characters from a Charles Dickens book that have appeared in at least TEN (10!!) TV and cinematic adaptations and for which I am able to find not just reviews, but full length scholarly articles focused specifically and entirely on these particular characters, not to mention clear evidence of school assignments concerning these characters. When we start trying to delete articles concerning characters people actually study in school and for which they are the subject of journal articles, we are losing sight of what an encyclopedia/reference guide is. Almost as disconcerting as when I saw someone redirect rather than improve the article on the main character in War and Peace for whom full length dissertations have been devoted, scholars have called the "greatest literary figure of all time", etc. I have way too many articles to rescue at once!! :0 (not sure how to make an exhuasted face...)  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 17:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG and sources added. Non-primary characters are not always notable but when reproduced by multiple producers, actors and productions they develop a history beyond the initial writings. -- Banj e  b oi   09:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


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