Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C. J. Ross


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C. J. Ross

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Delete: as non-notable under WP:SPORT. Quis separabit? 20:50, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 15:42, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Appears to be notable simply for 1 event--doing a poor job at judging a title fight. I think this is WP:BLP1E. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:13, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * A big part is that in two of the biggest fights in the last three years she did a poor job - Manny Pacquiao vs. Timothy Bradley and Floyd Mayweather vs. Saúl Álvarez. Since its multiple events, it takes it out of WP:BLP1E.RonSigPi (talk) 16:14, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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Strong Keep in the boxing community, CJ Ross is highly notable and often referenced. I think she clearly meets WP:GNG. For some WP:GNG citations see (start about :40),, , , and. Further, the citations go outside of sport, such as by business (see ) and entertainment (see ) sources. In short, in boxing circles, CJ Ross is highly notable. RonSigPi (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Floyd Mayweather vs. Saúl Álvarez These sources, including the ones posted by RonSigPi, all deal with one event--the Mayweather-Alvarez fight. Mdtemp (talk) 18:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that works since there is a lot of relevance to the Pacquiao-Bradley fight (probably more so since the scoring made the fight outcome change whereas in the Mayweather-Alvarez fight it didnt actually change the win/loss outcome). Here are a number of references that predate the Mayweather-Alvarez fight and show notability outside that single fight -, , , , and .  In view of this, I don't think redirect is appropriate. RonSigPi (talk) 19:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Ross, is very well known throughout the boxing community for her 20 years of dedication. She's been featured in a plethora of reliable sources throughout such time. She Meets WP:NI'm sure others would like to see some improvement to the page. She's judged over 100 bouts and made a huge commitment to her sport. The whole page shouldn't be primarily about her failures for two-big fights alone. C.dunkin (talk) 06:10, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If you could link to some of "plethora of reliable sources" that feature her (and that don't involve "her failures for two-big fights") that would probably end this discussion in a hurry. Mdtemp (talk) 16:47, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 01:14, 27 January 2015 (UTC) The article notes: A look at Ross’ record over the past five years or so indicates a rather solid job performance. In the one hundred matches Ross has worked since November of 2008, thirty-eight ended with split judging of some form or other. Of those thirty-eight, Ross ruled differently from her fellow judges on about eighteen occasions. Not exactly the record of some wily renegade. In fact, a quick background check on Ms. Ross appears to present one irrefutable fact: that overall, the woman has been, at the very least, adequate, and perhaps even quite good, at her job. C.dunkin (talk) 03:01, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment she could pass WP:N per significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Being a boxing enthusiast, I understand she played a much more important role in the sport than just the two fights. I've included an article below that shows such appreciation. I will work on gathering some more sources.
 * Being "adequate" (or even "good") at your job does not make you notable.Mdtemp (talk) 16:29, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 03:43, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. The press is doting on her. Pax 19:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Two more articles based on the Mayweather fight which is why I suggested a redirect.Mdtemp (talk) 19:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, what about the five references I found on the Bradley-Pacquiao? I think that establishes that there is a lot out there on that fight as well (I am sure there are many more than 5, but thought that was a good number to overcome the WP:BLP1E concerns).    I think it should be added that many of the Mayweather sources reference the Bradley-Pacquiao in decent detail so the 'Mayweather sources' can be considered Bradley-Pacquiao as well.  That is why I don't redirect is appropriate, but was wondering why you still thought there should be a redirect considering the numerous Bradley-Pacquiao fight sources.RonSigPi (talk) 23:46, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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