Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C. J. Saunders


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The result was keep. Consensus is that WP:GNG is met. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

C. J. Saunders

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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON. The individual has not played in a professional league game, per the relevant PFR source. Coverage of the article subject outside of this context appears to be routine sports coverage. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 21:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Whether or not he meets NGRIDIRON is irrelevant if he meets GNG—which—it appears he meets per the following: Rhule Praises Young Receivers Including One Who Has Been a Pleasant Surprise from Sports Illustrated; C.J. Saunders Returning to the Field, Taking Aim at NFL Career After Coaching at Ohio State Last Season from ElevenWarriors.com (I don't know if its reliable or not); Ohio State’s Saunders earns respect from teammates from Springfield News-Sun; Walk-on steals the show in Ohio State rout from the Dayton Daily News; The Football Fever: Walk-on C.J. Saunders culminates rise through the ranks from ABC; Rashod Berry, C.J. Saunders seize opportunity in Ohio State’s blowout of UNLV from The Daily Advocate; and Ohio State football’s C.J. Saunders denied sixth year of eligibility, will instead join coaching staff from Cleveland.com. I have also found: C.J. Saunders chasing dream, finds unique Pro Day spotlight (podcast? I don't know if it qualifies under SIGCOV so I'll let someone else decide); Ohio State WR C.J. Saunders arrested for violating curfew from NFLDraftDiamonds.com; and What are the Carolina Panthers getting in C.J. Saunders? from Fansided. Saunders is also currently on an NFL team, as a practice squad member, meaning he may play this season. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:37, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * To respond source-by-source:
 * FanNation is significant, independent coverage.
 * Eleven Warriors is a niche Ohio State sports blog that doesn't appear to be quite WP:RS;
 * Springfield News-Sun is a local newspaper covering a local college sports (WP:ROUTINE);
 * The Dayton Daily News is providing routine coverage of a local college sports player scoring a touchdown;
 * Coverage from a local ABC Affiliate is routine coverage of local college sports;
 * The Daily Advocate is giving routine coverage of a local college sporting event;
 * Cleveland.com is providing routine coverage of a local college sports team.
 * The podcast doesn't appear to be the sort of source that would indicate notability.
 * NFL Draft Diamonds' coverage of his arrest for violating curfew doesn't actually appear to be WP:SIGCOV of the individual inasmuch as it's WP:DOGBITESMAN-level routine crime reporting (also see WP:NCRIM).
 * Fansided seems to be providing routine coverage of Carolina's draft picks.
 * There seems to be an argument in many of these that he's notable as a college athlete. There's a guideline for this, WP:NCOLLATH, which would lean me away from taking him as notable owing to his college days. Additionally, I don't think that the argument that he's on a practice squad and that he may play this season is a good reason to keep an otherwise non-notable article; Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 21:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * 1. Whether or not coverage is local is irrelevant. 2. This type of coverage is usually considered SIGCOV in American football, meaning he clearly meets GNG. 3. I'm not saying that him being on the practice squad means notability—I'm saying that he meets GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mikehawk10 I just noticed that you nominated this, Matt Behrendt, Liam McCullough, and Branden Bowen all in a period of eight minutes. That is not enough time to do an adequate WP:BEFORE search. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * keep looks like a clear pass of WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:44, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Meh. Some of what's cited above appears to qualify as SIGCOV, and some of the sources are reliable, so this may qualify under GNG. On the other hand, he never had any significant accomplishments as a college player. Per stats, he caught only 16 passes for 294 yards with one touchdown while on the Ohio State roster -- and this despite having had five years of eligibility.  Given these minimal accomplishments at the college level (and zero accomplishments at the pro level), I don't see much encyclopedic value. Cbl62 (talk) 22:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per BeanieFan11. MainPeanut (talk) 18:49, 8 October 2021 (UTC)


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