Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C. Kesavan Memorial Municipal Town Hall


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The result was redirect to Kollam Cantonment. The redirect target seems to be better than the alternative C. Kesavan. Town halls et al are a feature of the locality and they rarely have any link with the subject (after whom it is named after), save as a token of homage. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 09:26, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

C. Kesavan Memorial Municipal Town Hall

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A local municipal hall. Not sure "first air-conditioned" hall in Kerala is enough to warrant inclusion. Fails WP:GNG and WP:GEOFEAT.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:27, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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Keep passes WP:RS, 3 References are by one of the most reliable and reputed Indian news media The Hindu. Citation no 1 provides independent significant in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, Citation no 1 is also by the Hindu. Anoptimistix (talk) 13:37, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

WP:GEOFEAT reads "A geographical area, location, place or other object is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are, in the case of artificial features, independent of the bodies which have a vested interest in them." - (This article has significant in-depth coverage especially at citation no 1 by The Hindu which is an independent of the subject (private news media), historically used by wikipedians as a reliable source check the references of Air India Express Flight 812, most of them are by The Hindu. This article clearly passes WP:GEOFEAT, WP:RS and WP:GNG) Anoptimistix (talk) 13:46, 7 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * REDIRECT to C. Kesavan and add one line to that article mentioning this memorial. The memorial hall fails WP:GEOFEAT and WP:GNG. The sources mentioned within the article, mentioned above by the editor, and otherwise available through my research, all have insignificant one line mentions about the hall. The only two sources (both from the Hindu newspaper) that mention this hall more than one line pertain to one which says that rents of the hall have increased; and the other that says a statue of C. Kesavan was unveiled in front of the hall. That's it.  Lourdes  14:53, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 18:47, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: Commenting on this overdue for close AFD. It seems likely to me that the subject is notable though the article is no masterpiece, typical of articles on many structures in India.  If this was all we could find on a similar hall in New York City, where online access to newspapers information is much more robust, I might feel differently.   I would also be comfortable with a no consensus close.--Milowent • hasspoken  17:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to C. Kesavan. I disagree that it's notable enough for an article of it's own, even if it were in New York I doubt it would be the subject of news articles. Being mentioned in an article ("The meeting will be held at...") isn't a claim to notability. Ifnord (talk) 18:01, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * A funny manhole cover could get an article if its in New York. I agree that being mentioned in an article is insufficient by itself.--Milowent • hasspoken  18:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 20:17, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect/Delete - per WP:GNG, "multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source". - Mfarazbaig (talk) 05:44, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Kollam Cantonment as the town hall is situated there. I disagree with the other redirect targets. Buildings can change names but their location is usually fixed. Merging the useful information to the cantonment article seems to be a reasonable solution. I am not in favour of having a separate article because there are not enough references to justify one.--DreamLinker (talk) 02:45, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, hope you're doing well. I feel that when a person types the term "C. Kesavan Memorial Municipal Town Hall", they're not intending to read about Kollam Cantonment. It is more pertinent to redirect them to a page on C. Kesavan so that they can get a background of the person on whom the hall is named. If a page on C. Kesavan had not existed, I would have been okay with a redirect or merge to Kollam cantonment. But we do have a page on Kesavan that is appropriate. With respect to your contention that buildings may be renamed in the future (and therefore we should only merge to Kollam cantonment), that's a future premise that can't be predicted. If the building gets renamed in the future, we could revisit the redirect or create a separate article. But basing a merge suggestion on the premise that the building's name may be changed in the future, is perhaps incorrect. Warmly.  Lourdes  04:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your answer. However, as I stated in the first sentence of my vote, my reason for redirecting it to the cantonment is because the building is a part of the kollam cantonment. Regardless of the name, it should be merged to the next larger geographic entity which contains it. This is for consistency with other similar articles on artificial geographic features. In this particular case it is a community hall which is connected more to the immediate community in the locality. Btw, in India, buildings are often named after politicians even though the politicians may not have any significant connection to the building. In such cases, it seems weird to redirect it to the article of the person. A Mahatma Gandhi road in X city should redirect to the transport section of the article about x and not Mahatma Gandhi.--DreamLinker (talk) 10:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand what you're saying . So in other words, if an article like Gandhi Smriti were a redirect, then as per you, it should be a redirect to New Delhi rather than to the individual in whose name the museum exists... (iffy, as per me) I can see the advantage of placing details of the hall in both the C. Kesavan article (he's not one at Mahatma Gandhi level and his relevance seems to be local) and in the Kollam cantonment article. Therefore, would you consider changing your !vote to "Redirect to Kollam Cantonment while Merging contents to both C. Kesavan and Kollam Cantonment". What do you think? Thanks.  Lourdes  11:17, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The example you quoted is not exactly analogous. Gandhi Smriti is a museum dedicated to Mahatma Gandhi. (Interestingly, I had no idea it was called Gandhi Smriti btw. I have always heard it being called "Birla House"). On the other hand, this community hall is not a building dedicated to preserving the memory of the person. I would simply merge and redirect to the Kollam Cantonment article. I agree with you that a sentence or two should be be mentioned in the C. Kesavan article. (I will just add it myself). Thank you for your reply and proposing a good solution.--DreamLinker (talk) 17:33, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks . You say: "On the other hand, this community hall is not a building dedicated to preserving the memory of the person." The building is named "C. Kesavan Memorial Municipal Town Hall". There is a notable statue too of C. Kesavan placed in the building premises. As much as an observer like me would understand, the town hall is named so purely to preserve the memory of C. Kesavan. I'm not sure I understand you correctly. At the same time, I'll extend my efforts and place the contents of this article to Kollam Cantonment so that the Afd can be closed as a redirect to Kollam Cantonment or to C. Kesavan; I'm okay with either. Thanks.  Lourdes  00:28, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Additional note: I've already merged/added the contents of this article to Kollam Cantonment and to C. Kesavan. Thanks.  Lourdes  00:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


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