Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/C64S


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 00:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

C64S

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C64 emulator not covered in independent, reliable sources as far as I can tell. Pcap ping  09:03, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  -- Pcap  ping  09:03, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (Search video game sources) MrKIA11 (talk) 14:12, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Google "Miha C64S" for historical information.  It is now very hard to find information on this historical software.  It was written in 1992-1993 by Miha Peternel, so this software was pre-Netscape era, before the consumer Internet explosion.   I'm not opposed to deletion, but I will let everyone else vote, though. Mdrejhon (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * None in the first few pages of hits looked like a WP:RS. Pcap ping  00:36, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 03:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * DeleteL I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 19:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete - whilst it's possible that paper PC magazines covered this software at the time, such sources need to be cited from the outset, not left to find at a later date. Particularly for self-published software. Marasmusine (talk) 12:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. After investigating a bit more, it looks like this emulator may have some historical significance. The manual for VICE (a modern and notable C64 emulator), says that "The T64 File Structure was developed by Miha Peternel for use in the C64S emulator."; T64 is the tape image format used to digitize old games/programs. T64 is one of the two formats used by C64 emulators today, the other, G64, was developed in cooperation between the VICE authors and CCS64 authors (this is another notable simulator). So, it does seem that C64S has a technical legacy. Perhaps the article should be userfied for further work. The problem is that claims like "was one of the first practical Commodore 64 emulators for the PC platform", which are made in the article, need to come from a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes, they cannot be written from lore; it's worth discussing if any of the fan sites that do have a page about this software qualifies as such (and supports that claim). Pcap ping  16:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Miha invented the T64 file format that is stil used to this date in all modern Commodore 64 emulators inclding CCS64 and VICE. Unfortunately, it's had to find reliable information now, and I will have to pass the mantle of this article to someone else if this article is to be resurrected.  As a compromise, I suggest merging such footnotes to other emulator articles (i.e. a 'History' section in VICE article, as VICE has existed since around the mid 90's).  Also, C64S is the first emulator I saw that used D64, so some research is needed if Miha also invented the D64 format, too. Mdrejhon (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * An article about Commodore emulators seems necessary. There is also a redirect from Commodore 64 Emulators to Commodore 64, but there's no coverage of emulators there. A bare list exists here, but it's not very informative. Pcap ping  19:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete lacks reliable sources RadioFan (talk) 13:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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