Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CBA Cable


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The result was   delete. Willing to userfy if there's any useful material here for a merge/redirect Fritzpoll (talk) 22:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

CBA Cable

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Terrible sourcing. Non-notable neologism (most likely). Purportedly about a type of cable but seems to be a how-to guide for untangling a phone cord. Doesn't appear to be a candidate for CSD. Wperdue (talk) 19:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NEO. - 2 ... says you, says me, suggestion box 20:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This article has terrible sources for the same reason that no one has ever heard of CBA cable before, and wouldn't know that it is the ubiquitous coiled cable found on everything from key chains to telephones to keyboards, without a resource like Wikipedia. I just found this out today while searching for a method of untangling Bell Knots. I discovered the sparse information which I have submitted. This information is not common knowledge, but belongs on Wikipedia because CBA cable is common enough to be worthy of admission to an encyclopedia and unknown enough to need that encyclopedia to be Wikipedia. I am going to create another article about Bell Knots. Have you honestly ever heard of these? Again a ubiquitous yet unseen phenomenon that affects us every day of our lives. Both of these need to be on wikipedia, and hopefully someone with the esoteric knowledge and resources can enhance the public well-being through the aggregation of knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellknot (talk • contribs)
 * re:Neologism CBA cable is not a neologism, it is jargon.  Search for "CBA Cable" on Google shopping, and you can find that this is a common label, even across manufacturers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellknot (talk • contribs) 2009-04-24 20:53:25
 * re:Sources Muse magazine did an article about this http://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/8f7bb/please_upvote_and_help_me_i_really_want_to_learn/c0934ky and it should be in their archives.  There are certainly other publications which reference it, but only through the cloud-sourcing power of Wikipedia will they come to light. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.70.148.127 (talk • contribs) 2009-04-24 21:04:46
 * Comment This is very clearly not a neologism as I am finding 11 references in google scholar: going back to 1983.  On the other hand, I'm finding it challenging to locate sources that give us enough information on what CBA Cable is.  So I'm not sure what to recommend.  I would disagree very strongly with deletion on the grounds that is a neologism.  However, I am also not convinced that it is notable.  Cazort (talk) 23:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll find, when you read those sources that you found, which do indeed say what CBA cable is, that "CBA" in that context stands for Colliding Beam Accelerator. Most people do not have one of those attached to their telephone handset. Uncle G (talk) 02:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, I did not read these sources in enough depth! My comments were based on a more superficial look at the articles.  Cazort (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as a poorly-written guide. Alexius08 (talk) 01:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * M. Bellknot, someone &mdash; I don't know who. &mdash; has led you completely up the garden path. There's a reason that what you are talking about is "not common knowledge".  It's because it's a load of tripe.  Please don't write about "Bell knots".  There's no such thing.  Nor does this "CBA cable" exist. When a material that is a helix is twisted in the direction of its chirality beyond a certain point, it forms what is known as a supercoil or a superhelix.(ref)  This is mostly studied with respect to the supercoils that form in the DNA molecule double-helix, but the underlying principles apply to many things, from telephone handset cables, through rubber bands to garden hoses (ISBN 9780521006330 pp. 16).  Twist a helix in the direction opposite to its chirality, and the result is underwinding or negative supercoiling (Ibid.). This is not a knot.  A helix can supercoil all it likes.  Topologically, it remains an (arc of an) unknot.  If you pass one of its ends through a loop, that forms a knot.  But it isn't called a "Bell" knot.  It's not special to telephones, or to Bell.  Its the plain, ordinary, overhand knot. And as you can see from simple inspection, the helical cables that you find on keychains are not the same as the cables that you find on telephones.  The number of cores differ, as indeed do their types.  They are just several kinds of cables in plastic insulator.  Sometimes, in Canada, telephone cabling involves things called CSA cables, but that's only because the standards for such cables in Canada are set by the Canadian Standards Association.  Many types of cables are "CSA cables", just as many types of connectors are DIN connectors.  (There's another "CSA cable" in telephony, but that's another name for the local loop of the Carrier Serving Area, and nothing to do with subscriber equipment at all.)  Uncle G (talk) 02:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The most phrases for this sort of cable seem to be coiled handset cord and spiral cable. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If this is true, I would recommend to Rename, possibly with a Redirect. Spiral cable seems to get far more hits under the searches I've done.  Thoughts? Cazort (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.