Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CFCH-FM (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify. (non-admin closure) firefly  ( t · c ) 08:14, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

CFCH-FM
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WP:G4 declined but I can't see why; as far as I can tell, this is just a reposting of the previously deleted article with no coverage since the initial announcements back in May 2020.

User:Bearcat's previous rationale, which I will copy and paste below, still applies:

''Premature article about a radio station that was granted a license in 2020 but has not yet commenced broadcasting as of today. Simply having been given a license is not grounds for an article in and of itself — there have been many, many instances in North American broadcasting of radio stations being granted licenses by the FCC or the CRTC but then failing to actually launch within the authorized period and thus having their licenses expire, so a radio station has to actually be on the air to qualify for a Wikipedia article per WP:BCAST, not just get a license.''

In addition, I'm only seeing routine coverage and not enough for WP:GNG. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Draftify. The one thing here that's semi-different, compared to the first time, is that the infobox now has "June 2021 (testing)" in the infobox as a first airdate. But (a) the base notability requirement is officially launched, not just testing, and (b) the article doesn't contain any sources that verify that the station's actually in testing. And even on a Google search, no such sources exist elsewhere either — the topic has received no new coverage since May 2020 at all. If the claim is true, then that does mean it's closer to the notability bar than it was in February, so we should probably let it simmer in draftspace for a spell — but just testing doesn't pass the notability bar by itself (even stations that have gotten to the testing stage have still been known to fail to actually launch), so it still isn't an appropriate topic for a mainspace article yet. Bearcat (talk) 22:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I messaged the new radio station 90.5 in North Bay and they should be launching soon when ready so there's absolutely no need to delete this article during test mode and when they are ready to launch which could be any week or month now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8d80:566:34f9:eaaf:39f6:cf18:8317 (talk • contribs)
 * "Could be any week or month now" doesn't cut it. Not until we can reliably source an exact launch date in news reportage by at least one of CTV Northern Ontario, The North Bay Nugget or Bay Today. Not private personal correspondence with the station manager, and not Vista's own Facebook profile: article about the station actually having a hard launch, published in a real media outlet other than itself, or no dice.
 * Also, by the way, you do not have the right to remove the AFD template from the article while this discussion is still open, or the right to "close" this discussion yourself by erasing it. Try either of those stunts again, and there will be consequences. Bearcat (talk) 23:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * To Bearcat (talk), I'm sorry for what I've done by removing the article for deletion template on CFCH-FM and blanking this page! :-( It won't happen again! I was pretty disappointed and frustrated about an article of a new radio station signing on soon in North Bay, Ontario being on the deletion list. Hopefully once the new station at 90.5 FM in North Bay IS LAUNCHED, the CFCH-FM article on Wikipedia will be created once again! 2605:8d80:566:34f9:eaaf:39f6:cf18:8317 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Draft and Redirect: Gotta go with Bearcat on this one. It was too soon then, it's toon soon now.  It might be testing, but unless there is an official launch, then no article.  Even the owner says it could take "14 months" but he doesn't think it will take the "full two years".  That was published on May 27, 2020.  The license was officially received from the CRTC on May 25, 2020.  So, 14 months from that date is July 25, 2021.  Two years, May 25, 2022.  Let's check back in in late-July. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 01:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to draft there is a CRTC license and there is media coverage of that license. However, the key ingredient of all radio stations is missing: they're not transmitting any programs on a regular basis. Can you be notable for having won a license? Probably not. So, for the moment, it is just hot air. And it's not even hot electromagnetic air.--- Possibly (talk) 03:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have no issue with draftify as an outcome. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to draft.4meter4 (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


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